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On Taking Pictures

Published by Bill Wadman and Jeffery Saddoris

  • Arts
  • Visual arts

Every week, Jeffery Saddoris and Bill Wadman take on the art, science, and philosophy of photography and explore how they play out behind the camera in the process of making images. Insider insights for the novice, shop talk for the professional, and opinionated discussion for the interested observer of the field's trends and legacy. Hosted by Bill Wadman and Jeffery Saddoris.

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4 chart placements

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  1. Number 144Visual artsAustralia
  2. Number 66Visual artsCanada
  3. Number 182Visual artsUnited Kingdom
  4. Number 36Visual artsNorway

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Recent episodes

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  1. 379: Artifacts Of Time And Place from On Taking Pictures, opens in a new tab

    Aug 25, 20261 hr 31 min

    Bill and Jeffery grumble about Apple's Mac mini and Mac Studio price increases and Jeffery’s love for the Supernote Manta, then spend most of the episode remembering photographer Jay Maisel, touring stories and photos from his cavernous bank-building archive and debating what makes a photographic legacy. They wrap up with this week's Photographer of the Week, Life magazine shooter Nina Leen. Supernote Manta Jay Maisel ‘Favorites’ John Loengard portraits of photographers Joel Meyerowitz “Cape Light” The Family of Man PotW Nina Leen

  2. 378: X-Wing not the X-1 from On Taking Pictures, opens in a new tab

    Aug 11, 20261 hr 35 min

    Bill and Jeffery dig into where creative legitimacy actually comes from now that gatekeepers like ASMP and Magnum have lost their grip, and talk about why they stopped chasing metrics and just make the show for its own sake. They also swap stories about a QR-code standoff at the Air and Space Museum and their shared guilt over unfinished projects and letting themselves have fun, before closing with Photographer of the Week Hiromix, whose 1990s film self-portraits look decades ahead of Instagram. VII Canon ad Dr Ali Mattu on YouTube Clyde Lawrence “Guy I Used To Be” on piano Apple Reference Image Hiromix article Hiromix on Canon

  3. 377: Touching The Backstop from On Taking Pictures, opens in a new tab

    Jul 28, 20261 hr 36 min

    Bill and Jeffery talk through a buggy macOS beta, a $10 thrift-store flatbed scanner, and the endless search for a good digital asset manager, then get into why they both might be pulling back from Instagram and just taking photos for themselves again. They also swap stories about vintage audio gear, dream up a DJ-style internet radio show, wrestle with headphone pad mysteries, and close with Photographer of the Week Szilveszter Mako's whimsical, paper-textured portraits. Qwestlove with Barry Manilow PixlPath Harman Kardon 430 Receiver ‘Mend It Mark’ on YouTube Cool House Jeffery Used to Visit Tom Hoops’ “Underexposed” MixCloud PotW SZILVESZTER MAKÓ on Instagram

  4. 376: Shrink-wrapped In Anxiety from On Taking Pictures, opens in a new tab

    Jul 6, 20261 hr 32 min

    Bill and Jeffery ramble from brushes with celebrities and growing up before the internet to a deep dive into old Mold-A-Rama toy machines, vanishing physical media, and why modern life feels so overwhelming, before wrapping up with this week's featured photographer, Arthur Elgort. Freedom Train Mold-A-Rama Mold-A-Rama Gorilla Ebba Forsberg Album on Apple Music PotW Arthur Elgort Estella Warren in bucket picture

  5. 375: Don’t Get Sucked Into The Battle from On Taking Pictures, opens in a new tab

    Jun 17, 20261 hr 36 min

    Episode 375 opens with a personal reflection on the death of photographer William Coupon, a friend Bill made through the show years ago, and a broader conversation on grief and mentorship. Bill also describes vibe-coding a custom Mac app with Claude Code to automate uploading episodes and drafting WordPress posts. The back half covers David Hockney's photographic collage work and how scale affects whether a piece works as a print versus a wall-sized object, plus a preview of an upcoming episode on the new Spielberg film. Pals with Coupon William Coupon NYT Obituary Michael Jackson “She’s Out Of My Life” Duane Michals NYT Obituary Quantel Paintbox David Hockney Photographic Collages

  6. 374: Iterating on Noise from On Taking Pictures, opens in a new tab

    May 26, 20261 hr 20 min

    Ansel Adams in AI color? Yuck! Do we ever get past the fear of complete failure and should we? Color grading footage and getting lost. Montana native Robert Osborn is our Photographer of the Week. Danziger response to the AI Ansel Adams print Degas “Woman seat beside a vase of flowers” Bill’s portrait of Alon at a piano Burden video of “Shoot” (User discretion advised) Robert Osborn mini-doc Robert Osborn website

  7. 373: Uncertainty Within An Envelope from On Taking Pictures, opens in a new tab

    May 12, 20261 hr 27 min

    How to teach an old dog new tricks by learning new skills, tools, and processes. Also some discussion of first stage movie making and William Gottlieb as our Photographer of the Week. Jacob Collier Berklee Commencement Speech William P Gottlieb on Wikipedia

  8. 372: Mental Proprioception from On Taking Pictures, opens in a new tab

    Apr 28, 20261 hr 35 min

    Big long conversation about change and mental health, then a trip down a used camera rabbit hole. Emma Summerton is our Photographer of the Week. “Bowling Alone” John Stewart talking about AI PotW – Emma Summerton Sandra Huller in Vanity Fair

  9. 371: Moon Joy from On Taking Pictures, opens in a new tab

    Apr 14, 20261 hr 14 min

    Jeffery & Bill are back to discuss the amazing pictures from Artemis II and the cameras they used, as well as whether doing something without it trying to be great is doing it at all. Lillian Bassman, who has a show at The Met in NYC right now, is our Photographer of the Week. Lunar Eclipse from space – Artemis 2 Strong Songs – Both Sides Now Liza Minelli and Michael Feinstein Hockney Documentary David Hockney – Painting with Light Lillian Bassman on Wikipedia

  10. 370: Detritus of Life from On Taking Pictures, opens in a new tab

    Mar 4, 20261 hr 27 min

    Is it worth going backwards in order to go forward? Finding yourself again in things you thought were in your past. Pioneering documentary photographer Alice Seeley Harris is our Photographer of the Week. “Conjuration” by Pepper Adams “Blame it on my Youth” played by Keith Jarrett Trio Ze Frank “The Wave” video Alice Seeley Harris on Wikipedia

  11. 369: Digital Entitlement from On Taking Pictures, opens in a new tab

    Feb 10, 20261 hr 27 min

    We're back!! At least every once in a while when we feel like it. This time to discuss Bill fixing the battery door of his beloved Pentax, how changing technology is effecting the reasons why we make things, and whether anyone has a good reason to buy a new camera anymore. Helen Levitt is our impromptu Photographer of the Week. The Quest for Perfection Is Stunting Our Society Kodak Brownie 3a Helen Levitt at MoMA Eggleston at David Zwirner

  12. 368: Everything Has Limits from On Taking Pictures, opens in a new tab

    Apr 9, 20241 hr 10 min

    Jeffery and Bill discuss the Dan Winters episode of the Disney/Hulu series ‘Photographer’ and how maker’s relationships with their partners and families allows them to do what they do. Adventure photographer Krystle Wright is our Photographer of the Week. 'Photographer' on Hulu Dorothy Simpson Krause Krystle Wright on IG

  13. 367: Offended By Extension from On Taking Pictures, opens in a new tab

    Apr 2, 20241 hr 19 min

    Should you react to changes in the industry by going on defense or offense? And what does offense in this context mean. TIF vs PSD vs PSB and more. Ken Nahoum is our Photographer of the Week. Jerry Ghionis website Platon's portrait of Richard Serra David Seidner show at ICP Guy bought an Imacon scanner for $500 TIME magazine reboot Standard Time Vol. 2 album Ken Nahoum

  14. 366: A Big Fluffy Thing from On Taking Pictures, opens in a new tab

    Mar 26, 20241 hr 21 min

    Change the variables you control when that's what's holding you back. Also, how to have your portfolio stand out and fit in to the preconceived notions of your viewers all at the same time. Bastiaan Woudt is our Photographer of the Week. Canva Acquires Affinity Rebecca Ferguson photos by @juankr Randomness - The 1975 interview "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" by Robert Pirsig Cincinatti Chili PotW - Bastiaan Woudt Hasselblad x-pan Mamiya 7ii

  15. 365: It Feels Different from On Taking Pictures, opens in a new tab

    Mar 19, 20241 hr 17 min

    Something feels different for Jeffery and it's a good thing, something feels different for Bill and it's not a good thing. Tony Notarberardino is our Photographer of the Week. Attention!: The power of simple decisions in a distracted world Jony Ive on Steve Jobs focus Bill's picture of Cisco Bill's other picture Cisco Ai Vs Artists - The Biggest Art Heist in History Tony Notarberadino on Forbes Tony Notarberadino on WNYC Tony Notarberadino in Interview Magazine ACA Galleries - Chelsea Hotel Portraits Steven Shore leaves Instagram

  16. 364: I Don’t Think It’s Gonna Work from On Taking Pictures, opens in a new tab

    Mar 13, 20241 hr 12 min

    Is Instagram still about photography? Even if it is, are they photographs of real life anymore or is AI imagery just the next step toward the fantasy the world seemingly wants. Bill got little Godox Lux Junior flash, but is still not sold. Jack Delano is our Photographer of the Week. EU Parliament tries to control AI New TikTok App Spotted Triathlete IG account 16,000 Artists in Midjourney Training Database VFX of Godzilla Minus One Godox Lux Junior Flash Princess Kate Photo Edited Jack Delano on Wikipedia Jack Delano on ICP

  17. 363: Not In My Vocabulary from On Taking Pictures, opens in a new tab

    Mar 6, 20241 hr 8 min

    Jeffery is copying his art to photographs and Bill has found a new online color editor which he's playing with while learning to accept and grow from critique. Todd Schick is our Photographer of the Week. San Francisco Art Institute bought by Laurene Powell Jobs Color.io Jacob Collier interview Chris Ashworth new book "The Unseen Saul Leiter" on Amazon Todd Schick on Instagram

  18. 362: Motion Is The Hapiness from On Taking Pictures, opens in a new tab

    Feb 27, 20241 hr 31 min

    Turns out Jacob Collier is an amazing musician even if he doesn't label his tracks. Jeffery and Bill discuss figuring out other people's process and how sometimes it's more fun not to know. Jo Ann Callis is our Photographer of the Week. LOGIC SESSION BREAKDOWN: "Bridge Over Troubled Water" Dorothy Simpson Krause Dustin Yellin Djesse Vol 4 cover art out of glass Sam Maloof Woodworker This uncomfortable portrait of femininity has resonated for four decades Jo Ann Callis website The Genius List - Jo Ann Callis interview

  19. 361: Didn't Have Enough Power from On Taking Pictures, opens in a new tab

    Feb 20, 20241 hr 18 min

    AI video is here, but who is it good for? Reviews are mixed for the new Fuji x100VI. When does change make sense and when to leave well enough lone? Marion Post Wolcott is our Photographer of the Week. Why “Shot on Iphone” Commercials Look So Good! Fuji X100VI – PetaPixel Fuji X100VI – Phoblographer Marion Post Wolcott – Flashbak Marion Post Wolcott – Wikipedia

  20. 360: Toiled Away In Quiet Desperation from On Taking Pictures, opens in a new tab

    Feb 13, 20241 hr 17 min

    Circus Models and Slot Cars lead Jeffery and Bill into discussing the skill of overcoming indecision and the emotional ownership of the things you make. Classic 20th century photograph Norman Parkinson is Photographer of the Week. Slot Mods article Slot Mods Man Dodging a Kettle - Know Your Meme Howard Brother's Circus "Ringmaster of His Own Design" Elton John is selling his Photography collection Norman Parkinson on Photogpedia Norman Parkinson on IconicImages Mamiya RZ67 bellows exposure compensation chart The best of Dr Bellows What is Toneh? - Camera Conspiracies

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