But Also with Michael and Asher

Harvey Guillén (What We Do in the Shadows, Rocky Horror on Broadway) joins Michael and Asher for a real romp. They alo get into rat sympathy, learning Wicked in Japanese, a spider infested computer, and Harvey's Netflix true crime podcast Killer Stories. 00:00 Cold Open 00:31 Housekeeping & Show Plugs 01:37 Meet Harvey Guillén 02:17 Covid on Watch What Happens Live 03:13 Broadway Understudies & Swings 06:04 Musical Theater School Stories 08:26 Central Park Breakdancers & Talent vs. Tenacity 11:04 Strict School Rules & the Late Policy 18:11 Aikido Spanking Stories 21:04 First Gig: Moving to Japan 27:22 Covid on Set with Susan Sarandon 32:42 Moving to NYC, LA, and Landing "Huge" 38:28 Broadway: The Hardest Job & Rocky Horror 41:44 The "You Look Great" Backhanded Compliment 47:11 If You Give a Mouse a Cookie & Rat Sympathy 52:11 The Spider Infested Computer 54:54 Do Flies Wash Their Hands? 56:15 The Orphan Sloth Video & Sherie Rene Scott 60:24 What's Next: Action Roles on Shadows 62:28 Killer Stories: Harvey's True Crime Podcast 66:41 Is New York Actually Scary? 72:00 Full Throated Endorsement: Seafood Boil Support the show

Rachel Abrams (co-host of The Daily) joins the podcast to finally settle the debate: was E.T. slimy or dry? She also talks about her journey to becoming a host of The Daily, and gives a full-throated endorsement of the chicken at Medieval Times. 00:00:00 Cold Open: The Rocky Raccoon Weather Bit 00:00:28 Welcome to But Also, With Guest Rachel Abrams 00:01:03 Rachel's 17 Years in Journalism, From Variety to the Times 00:04:12 The Moonves Investigation and the Source Who Lost Everything 00:06:49 How Rachel Became a Host of The Daily 00:08:43 Michael's Wife Thinks Rachel Hosts The Daily Show 00:10:58 The Fake 49ers Player Scammer 00:12:18 Only Recognized as "Michael Barbaro" 00:14:38 The Craft of Sounding Natural on the Radio 00:19:10 Unconventional Paths Into the New York Times 00:23:18 Ira Glass's Advice on Leaning Into Humor 00:25:22 Finding Humor in Dark and Serious Stories 00:32:48 The Philosophy of Comedy and Truth 00:34:10 Segment: The Daily Quiz 00:40:36 Google Thinks Rachel Abrams Is Dead 00:41:15 Party Tricks: Presidents and Days of the Week 00:50:17 Rachel's Childhood Radio Career 00:52:33 Life After Late Night and Chasing Comedy Jobs 00:58:35 Ayahuasca, MDMA, and Psychedelic Confessions 01:04:15 Full Throated Endorsement: Medieval Times Chicken 01:10:37 Was E.T. Wet or Dry? The Spielberg Story 01:13:45 Outro Support the show

Comedian Emmy Blotnick (What's Her Secret?) joins Michael and Asher for a debate on matcha v coffee, dueling theories on who really invented the hamburger, and a detour through museum size preferences. They also try to crack the mystery of a stranger's stuffed bell pepper texts before Emmy closes with a full throated endorsement of PBS Passport. 00:00:00 Cold open: the pepper tease 00:00:36 Matcha, coffee, and caffeine confessions 00:06:08 World Cup memories and soccer fandom 00:07:01 Finding fame later in life 00:09:37 Michael's Scooby-Doo tic 00:11:40 Childhood career dreams 00:12:55 Got Milk ads and the milk mustache debate 00:18:41 Modeling gigs gone wrong 00:22:59 Hometowns, pizza, and the hamburger debate 00:27:47 Niche museums we love 00:30:57 Stendhal syndrome and how Houdini died 00:35:35 Family heritage surprises 00:39:20 A West Wing detour and Hungarian food debate 00:46:41 Budapest, bathhouses, and Asher's beret era 00:50:26 Weirdest things we did as kids 00:56:26 Emmy's new special, What's Her Secret? 00:58:04 CSO nostalgia and the special's reception 01:00:38 Community notes and getting corrected online 01:04:46 Celebrities who avoid social media and Instagram anxiety 01:08:21 Bell pepper texts and other side quests 01:15:07 Full throated endorsement: PBS Passport 01:18:42 Outro and the pepper challenge Support the show

Four shrimp for $30, a Fightmaster obsession, zero eye contact...D'Arcy Carden gets weird with us, and it rules. We cover a scientific breakdown of why spoilers don't ruin anything, a deep dive into her music obsession, an invented facial expression that might be a medical marvel, and a full-throated defense of $4-a-shrimp cocktail. Also - wink theory, The Odyssey discourse, and one hotel-hallway flex. 0:00 - Mickey Mouse Ears Cold Open 0:30 - Meet D'Arcy Carden 1:19 - The Severance Head Space 2:55 - The Favorite Poem Challenge 5:36 - The Surprise Apostrophe Origin Story 9:00 - Press Tour Outfit Confessions 11:30 - Do You Actually Like Doing Press? 15:11 - The Great Spoiler Debate 19:47 - Down the Gru Rabbit Hole 25:36 - Wink vs. Blink Showdown 33:52 - Inventing the Chin Cleft Trick 37:40 - Podcast Rotos & Hardcore History 43:27 - Fightmaster Fandom & Death Cab Deep Cuts 54:20 - The Fuck-It Bucket Tradition 56:16 - Why Are There Still New Songs? 1:04:41 - Hot Takes on The Odyssey 1:10:13 - Full-Throated Endorsement: Shrimp Cocktail 1:15:58 - Happy Birthday, Willa & Outro Support the show

Gary Gulman is a stand up comedian known for acclaimed stand up specials The Great Depresh, Grandiloquent, and Born on 3rd Base. He talks to Asher and Michael about turning down endorsement deals, a cataract surgery that gave him 20/20 vision overnight, and the ethics of corporate gigs and sponsorships. He endorses John Steinbeck's East of Eden. 0:00:00 Cold Open 0:00:19 Intro 0:00:51 Turning Down Gigs and Selling Out 0:06:05 The Cataract Lens "Miracle" 0:07:34 Sponsorship Ethics, Palantir and Weight Watchers 0:12:00 Corporate Gigs and Second City 0:14:45 Grandiloquent, Born on Third Base and the New Tour 0:17:23 Building a Themed Show and the "Cracker Moment" 0:20:42 Comedy During a "Fascist Takeover" 0:27:12 Confidence, Ignorance and Dunning-Kruger 0:29:58 Celtics Fan, Knicks Finals Run 0:33:05 Playing Basketball Together 0:38:40 Reenacting NBA Games Alone 0:41:41 Biking, E-Bikes and the Shattering Helmet 0:44:06 Acting, Life & Beth and Training 0:48:35 Last Comic Standing and the Touring Struggle 0:52:08 The State Abbreviations Joke and the "Documentary" 0:55:17 The Omelet Chef 0:57:44 The Psych Ward and the Great Depression Special 1:00:17 Night Staff, Validation and Ending a Set Early 1:08:43 The Gary Goldman No-Show Story 1:09:58 East of Eden Full-Throated Endorsement 1:18:46 Wrap-Up and Outro Support the show

Aaron Jackson (Dicks: The Musical, The Opposition with Jordan Klepper, Author of The Astonishing Life of August March) joins Michael and Asher to discuss Patti LuPone, Bruce Springsteen's eating habits, and the true difference between jealousy and envy. 00:00:00 Cold Open 00:00:14 Welcome Aaron Jackson 00:03:23 Nick at Nite Nostalgia 00:06:39 NYPD Nuts 00:07:05 Podcast Swag 00:08:44 Aaron's Dance Background 00:09:52 Colonial Williamsburg 00:12:08 Ballet Class Stories 00:18:59 Springsteen & Patti LuPone 00:21:13 Heckler Etiquette 00:23:13 Cell Phones in Theater 00:26:03 Hakuna Matata 00:29:51 Back to Springsteen 00:31:28 One Meal a Day 00:35:05 Gum Clown 00:44:08 Longhand vs Computer 00:45:52 $400 Million Hypothetical 00:51:34 Jealousy as Motivator 00:52:04 Jealousy vs Envy 00:54:19 Movie Premiere Story 00:56:35 Too High at the Premiere 01:00:54 How Newsy Is Aaron 01:01:47 DSA Primaries 01:10:20 Princess Diana Beanie Baby 01:15:43 Disney Background Check 01:17:38 Outro Support the show

Jen Spyra is a writer whose work has been featured in the New Yorker. She was a senior writer at the Onion and also wrote for The Late Show with Stephen Colbert for four seasons. She joins us for a conversation about catchin d while havin' cancer, how gossip is good, and cowards in the republican party. 00:00:00 Cold Open 00:00:30 Welcome to But Also 00:01:03 Life in the Samurai Hole 00:02:05 The "Fucking It Out" Coffee Shop Ritual 00:06:17 Coffee Shops vs. Libraries 00:08:33 Pomodoro, Phone Bricks, and Deadlines 00:12:57 The Saratoga Springs Writer's Retreat 00:14:15 On Being Around "Real" Writers 00:15:57 Cancer in High School 00:22:44 Dads, Weight, and the Wisconsin Pizza Years 00:27:08 Obsession, Wish Fulfillment, and Black Mirror 00:30:15 Critiquing Other People's Work Publicly 00:32:40 The MFA and Getting Mad 00:35:31 Improv Team Scapegoats 00:40:19 Everything Is Copy 00:45:32 The 65 Coats Theory 00:47:33 In Defense of Gossip 00:53:15 Why Jen Is a Good Hang 00:56:38 The Teleprompter Betting Scandal 01:01:25 Sports Betting Morality 01:07:28 Nobody Will Say Who Won 2020 01:12:06 Unrelatable Liars and Permanent Legacies 01:14:57 Full Throated Endorsement: TURN 01:20:23 Outro Support the show

Josh Gondelman joins Michael and Asher to talk apartment disasters, sneaker culture, insurance mascots, and the books he can't stop recommending. 0:00 Cold Open/Intro 0:58 The Great Apartment Flood 6:23 "Freak My Sneaks" 9:10 Pimp My Ride Ruined People's Lives 11:50 Jake From State Farm and J.K. Simmons 17:24 Josh's Twitter Pep Talk Era 20:05 The Modern Seinfeld Twitter Account 21:53 Getting Typecast After One Big Job 26:37 Why SubwayTakes Can't Be Cloned 28:03 Furniture Assembly and Contractor Disasters 33:46 We’re Eating It 36:11 The Sandwich Line 40:03 Would You Hand Over Your Watch? 42:40 The Wrong Sandwich 44:31 Forbidden Egg Rolls and Gefilte Fish 46:55 Josh's Bar Mitzvah on Masada 51:16 Keeping Jewish Traditions His Own Way 56:29 Restaurant Pacing and Wine Standoffs 59:20 Optimistic Josh 1:01:45 The Pressure of Being Too Nice 1:06:37 What Josh Tells New Comedians 1:10:28 Full Throated Endorsements Segment 1:11:04 Josh's Wife Picks His Books 1:15:07 Josh's Current Reading Pile 1:17:44 Outro / Goodbyes Support the show

Rachel Antonoff is a fashion designer, dog lover, and has strong feelings about plungers. But Also is produced by Suite Tea Studio 00:00:00 Cold Open 00:00:30 Convincing Michael to Get a Dog 00:05:15 Frantic Vet Emails to Dr. Thompson 00:08:14 Talking to Pets in Weird Voices 00:10:56 Show Tunes and the Miss Saigon Obsession 00:12:03 Playing Annie at the JCC 00:13:41 Fiddler on the Roof: Topol vs. Zero Mostel 00:15:01 Rachel's Fashion Brand and the Tevye Bit 00:21:12 Theatrical Fashion Shows and Pink Phones 00:23:10 Fashion Trends: Big Shorts and Big Pants 00:24:03 Designing for Comfort (and Pockets) 00:25:54 The Great Crocs Debate 00:29:48 Sexual Harassment Seminar Stories 00:32:26 The Harris Wittels Story 00:34:00 DARE and Being a Rule Follower 00:36:48 Bullying, Pranks, and the Camp Dance 00:44:56 The Late Show Wrap Party Dance Floor 00:49:26 Self-Consciousness About Photos 00:52:17 Braces, Retainers, and Invisalign 00:55:40 Looksmaxing, Goofing, and Fart Rooms 01:00:37 Full-Throated Endorsements: Dogs on the Internet and AI Margaret 01:03:27 Endorsement: Hotel Bathroom Design 01:05:29 Endorsement: Don't Clean Before Guests 01:08:58 Endorsement: Psyllium Husk 01:11:06 Endorsement: Single-Use Plungers 01:15:19 Outro and Credits Support the show

Jordan Klepper (The Daily Show) joins Michael and Asher to talk field reporting, the "Brick Suit Guy," and what actually changes someone's mind when the cameras are off. Plus: DOGE, voter ID, Graham Platner, dad life, and trips to the gastroenterologist. 00:00:00 Cold Open 00:00:22 Welcome 00:00:59 Podcast Photos, Dress Code, and Homework 00:05:03 Introducing Jordan Klepper 00:05:16 Standup, Storytelling, and the PowerPoint Show 00:07:10 Suffering Fools and Life on the Road 00:08:23 The Brick Suit Guy Story 00:12:53 Friendship Across the Political Divide 00:19:57 Is Political Comedy Actually Helpful? 00:23:07 The Socratic Method of Field Interviews 00:26:41 Doge, Voter ID, and Moments of Doubt 00:37:01 The Housing Bill and the Filibuster 00:40:46 Grace for RFK Jr and the Cabinet 00:46:31 The Madman Theory 00:50:37 2026 Predictions and Graham Platner 00:56:00 Patrick Dempsey and Being a Dad 00:59:24 Who Owns an Embarrassing Story 01:01:47 Doctor Stories: Clinton, Colonoscopy, and the Giant Cardiologist 01:14:59 The Colonoscopy Nap 01:20:49 Full Throated Endorsements: The Agency and 24 01:26:22 Outro Support the show

Taylor Ortega is an actress & comedian starring in Big Mistakes on Netflix. She chats with Michael and Asher about Scents, fashion shows, and Ipods But Also with Michael and Asher is produced by Suite Tea Studio 00:00:00 Cold Open 00:00:25 Fashion Week Nerves and Celine 00:03:50 Nominal Determinism and the Winner Loser Twins 00:05:44 Smells, Signature Scents, and Bad Breath 00:13:15 Coffee, Sleep Schedules, and Late Night Sports 00:15:49 Gray Hair and the Wizard Aging Debate 00:18:32 Show Intro 00:18:48 Welcoming Taylor Ortega and Big Mistakes Season 2 00:23:35 Set Stories and the QVC Amazon Gig 00:28:03 Carrying a Lead Role and Improv on Set 00:31:05 Writing Comedy for a Casino in Macau 00:32:55 Craft, Repetition, and Watching Great Performers 00:36:16 Astrology and Birth Charts 00:40:35 Remember When: The First iPod on the Bus 00:45:27 You Don't Own Me, Brick, and Silent Retreats 00:49:43 Remember When: Bees in the Trap with Jimmy Fallon 00:56:27 Remember When: The Hamster Mug Shot 01:00:46 Full Throated Endorsements: Local News and Kelly and Mark 01:05:50 Post Show Spirals and Permanent Records 01:08:19 Celine Favorites and Endorsing Widow's Bay 01:11:07 Full Throated Endorsement: Sports 01:15:33 Plugs and Outro Support the show

Jeff Hiller is an Emmy Award Winning Actor, Comedian, and Improviser. He starred as Joel in the Emmy Winning TV Show Somebody Somewhere, and he also stars as Dale on the TV show Widow's Bay on Apple TV Plus. But Also is produced by Suite Tea Studio 0:00 Welcome to But Also 0:29 Introducing Jeff Hiller 1:14 Nobody Expected the Emmy 3:10 The Night-Before Party 6:40 The Call ("I'm Getting Canceled") 9:00 Did the Show Win? The Writers Mix-Up 18:40 Improv, RaaaatScraps and "Is the Witch in This?" 27:36 A Memoir Obsessive 29:13 The "As I Lay Dying" Audiobook Disaster 31:30 Jeff Hiller Reads to You 37:13 Lennon Parham and UCB 38:05 Back to Theology (Eventually) 41:08 Culturally Jewish and the Rob Schneider Thing 45:58 The Church That Raised Him 48:55 I Could Be in a Cult 52:11 Will He Do Theater Again? 55:17 The Cat That Upstaged Romeo 59:39 Full Throated Endorsements 63:56 Jonathan the 194-Year-Old Tortoise 68:35 In Defense of the Chicken Thigh Support the show

Jay Jurden stops by to talk about Miss Saigon, Playing MSG, and what type of men grandmama's find attractive. But Also With Michael and Asher is produced by Suite Tea Studio 00:00:00 Intro 00:00:48 Half white, half Asian discourse 00:02:56 Miss Saigon and Bui Doi 00:04:32 It's Raining Fish and the stunt double 00:06:50 Height, the doctor, and fainting 00:13:33 Asher's dog on the train 00:17:23 Short kings, charisma, and honesty 00:27:13 Cockiness and being disliked 00:30:21 MSG and the Katy Perry story 00:34:21 Justin Trudeau and grandmama handsome 00:38:31 Asher the bean-grabbing superhero 00:40:10 Knicks, Nets, and Asher the basketball mountain 00:44:52 Comic book deep cuts: the Blob and X2's Pyro 00:50:44 Broadway audiences and Nathan Lane 00:57:40 Jay's quest for a grandma 00:59:31 Death of a Salesman and Cats: The Jellicle Ball 01:06:17 Naming the segment: Full Throated 01:08:11 Full Throated: New Balance and an ode to nurses 01:14:42 Asher's elephant and animal IDs 01:19:21 Bounty paper towels and Drake 01:26:39 Where to find Jay and outro Support the show

Zach Cherry drops by to talk about only eating things he 'likes', the NY Liberty, and Alamo Drafthouse. But Also with Michael and Asher is produced by Suite Tea Studio 00:00:00 Opening Banter 00:01:37 Welcome to But Also 00:01:49 Guest Introduction: Zach Cherry 00:02:33 Dinner Discussion Begins 00:03:58 Pizza Preferences 00:04:47 Food Ethics & Oxtail 00:05:24 Politics Segment Attempt 00:05:58 Leftovers & Pizza Rules 00:06:43 Food Principles 00:07:34 Vegetarianism Origin Story 00:08:00 Asher's Diet & Fitness 00:10:11 Different Eating Philosophies 00:11:04 Fair Life Milk Scandal 00:13:54 Sustainability & Farming 00:15:41 Wisconsin Land & Composting Toilets 00:17:01 Climate Change & Preparedness 00:18:51 Upper Peninsula Discussion 00:19:33 Bunker Dinner Planning 00:20:31 Protein Bar Debate 00:22:30 Transition to Fallout 00:22:48 Politics: Mike Johnson & Spending 00:25:01 Rob Whitman Fake Phone Call 00:29:05 End of Politics Segment 00:30:22 Green Energy Debate 00:32:37 Childhood Dinner Memories 00:34:30 Vegetarianism Discussion 00:35:38 Billie Eilish & Animal Ethics 00:38:28 Consciousness & Eating Animals 00:41:12 Clip Bait Segment Intro 00:43:38 Clip Bait: Eating on Subway 00:48:08 Clip Bait: Emails & Just Circling Back 00:50:29 Alamo Drafthouse Mobile Ordering 00:54:42 Full Throated Endorsement Intro 00:55:14 Fallout Continuation 00:56:17 Zach's Acting Journey 00:57:57 High School Theater & Paper Mill Playhouse 01:00:51 Early Acting Jobs 01:03:15 Crashing & Bookstore Doorman 01:05:30 Other Shows & Severance 01:06:54 Dream Roles: Reacher 01:09:47 Alan Richardson & Santa Movie 01:12:17 Podcast Blurb & Social Reckoning 01:14:34 The Social Network Sequel 01:17:21 Full Throated Endorsement 01:18:02 Politely Declining Segments 01:19:34 New York Liberty Basketball 01:26:59 Gym Endorsement: Kryptonite X 01:31:10 Manute Bol Age Mystery 01:35:07 Bones & Backdoor Pilots 01:37:51 Final Thank Yous & Goodbye Support the show

Katie Nolan stops by to talk dying on her own terms, Macklemore's hypocrisy, The America 250 celebration, and a vaginal microbiome sponsorship nobody asked for. Edited by Rachel Whitaker Theme music by Peter E. Snyder Audio engineered by Suite Tea Studio Executive produced by Produced Michael Cruz Kayne, Asher Perlman, and Suite Tea Studio. 0:00 Cold Open / Intro 0:14 Vaginal Microbiome Sponsorship Drama 1:25 Recording the Intro (Many Takes) 2:37 Brian Johnson & Biome Discourse 3:43 Fear of Death & Stoic Philosophy 8:01 Life Update: Katie's Suspiciously On-Time Subway 8:49 Is It Rude to Be Early? 9:20 Douglas's Vocal Warmup Gets Interrupted 9:59 Bar Mitzvah Dancer Confessions 13:15 Pitbull, Kesha & Macklemore 17:29 The Thrift Shop Hypocrisy Story 21:41 Logic, Depression & the 1-800 Song 24:05 Do You Like Politics, Katie? 25:05 Trump's 250th Party Performer Exodus 26:12 The Goat Announcement 27:20 The "Dumb-ocrats" Breakdown 28:21 Ron DeSantis Nickname Failures 29:01 Boston Meteor Nobody Believed 30:25 Google Thinks You Look Like... 33:23 Knicks Talk 37:01 The Jeopardy Story Begins 43:15 Katie's Disease Update 44:35 Concert Stories 49:14 Wagering Strategy Discourse 52:27 Celebrity Jeopardy Deep Dive 61:53 Naked TV Shows / Reality TV Tangent 73:24 Segment Three 77:43 George H.W. Bush Puking Story 86:45 Outro / Where to Find the Pod Support the show