Intrinsically Ordered

In this episode, Colin and I react to Brian Holdsworth's video "I'm Not Strong Enough to Be an Atheist." We unpack his portrayal of atheism through John Lennon and Nietzsche, discuss whether morality really requires God, and examine where we think his arguments miss the mark. Along the way we talk about humanism, socialism, religion, objective morality, Catholic apologetics, and what life after faith actually looks like. If you've ever wondered whether atheism inevitably leads to nihilism—or whether that's a false choice—this conversation is for you. 00:00 Back for Another Episode 02:00 Two Kinds of Atheism Setup 08:36 Commons Dilemma and Human Nature 10:42 Socialism and Incentives Pushback 17:55 Nietzsche and Moral Foundations 21:56 Objective Morality Debate 27:45 Master Morality and Power 31:58 Young Men and Nietzsche’s Appeal 34:32 Christianity vs Power Structures 38:06 No True Catholicism 42:34 Atheism Without Heroes 47:24 ADA and Mutual Benefit 48:46 Where Is the Thesis 49:37 Crusades and Contradictions 50:36 Nietzsche Illness as Gotcha 54:49 Capitalism and Collective Care To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

Joe Schmid from ⁨@MajestyofReason⁩ announced that he has returned to Catholicism. As an agnostic/atheist YouTuber who left catholicism, I’ve been thinking about how people should respond when someone leaves their religious or ideological group. In this video, I lay out my “Ten Commandments” for responding to someone whose beliefs have changed. Drawing from my own experience leaving Catholicism and coming out, I talk about listening before arguing, taking people’s stated reasons seriously, respecting their autonomy, avoiding tribal “wins” and “losses,” and remembering that a person is always more important than the culture war surrounding them. I’ll have plenty to say about Joe’s arguments for Catholicism in future videos. But before we debate his reasons, I think atheists, Catholics, and everyone else should remember how to treat the person making the decision. 00:00 Joe Schmid Converts 01:06 1: Keep the Person First 02:57 2: Accept Change 04:43 3: Listen Twice 06:17 4: Define Words 07:43 5: Trust Reasons 09:03 6: Limited Knowledge 10:33 7:Lead With Empathy 11:22 8: Respect Autonomy 12:43 9: Stay Connected 14:47 10: Process Privately 16:04 My Next Video To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

Coming out is often portrayed as the happy ending—but for many people, it's only the beginning. In this conversation with former Catholic priest and licensed therapist Danny Peterson, we explore why so many LGBTQ people who come out later in life feel like they're reliving adolescence as adults. We discuss religious trauma, dating, therapy, identity, relationships, extended adolescence, ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy), and what happens after the excitement of coming out fades into ordinary life. We also talk about why relationships don't magically become easy, why many people search for gurus or simple answers after leaving religion, and how learning to tolerate uncertainty can become one of the healthiest parts of healing. 00:00 From Priest to Therapist 03:55 Extended Adolescence Explained 09:52 Healthy Coming Out Skills 13:13 Values and Red Flags 18:09 Sex vs Relationship First 20:59 Finding Mentors and Community 28:21 The Coming Out Paradox 33:38 ACT and Moving Forward 41:30 Facing Hard Truths 46:42 Ditching Gurus Dogma 53:40 Therapy Expectations Reality 57:41 Allyship Religion Safeguards 01:00:16 Finding A Therapist 01:04:15 Private Practice Wrap Up To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

In this episode, Colin and I react to Brian Holdsworth's video asking whether "gay priests" are even a real thing. What starts as a discussion about labels quickly turns into a much bigger conversation about sexual orientation, Catholic theology, history, identity, and how the Church talks about same-sex attraction. We unpack the arguments, examine where we think the reasoning breaks down, and discuss why language matters when talking about real people. Along the way we dive into Pope Francis' comments on seminaries, the 2005 Vatican instruction on admitting men with same-sex attraction to the priesthood, ancient Greek sexuality, bisexuality, orientation, and why analogies don't always prove what people think they prove. 00:00 Pride Month Banter 01:06 Reacting to Brian Holdsworth 03:09 Pope Francis Quote Fallout 05:13 Ancient Rome Was Gay 08:20 Labels and Orientation Debate 13:54 Appetites and Identity Claim 17:49 Catholic Analogy Time 22:17 Cravings vs Human Love 25:04 Appetites Make You Gayer 31:55 Short Term Hookups Critique 35:46 Dehumanizing the Gay Label 38:15 Labels and Identity Sprawl 38:52 Paradox of Tolerance Rant 39:51 Honorary Gender Studies 40:38 Dodging the Priest Question 41:16 Chastity vs Gay Label 42:29 Church Policy Contradictions 44:29 Food and Gluttony Analogy 46:50 Spectrum and Ancient World 51:31 Frauds and Sacraments 55:10 Title Not Description Confusion 57:00 Trad Conspiracy Briefcase 01:00:02 Sponsor Break Real Estate 01:01:15 Why Labels Help Research 01:07:29 Why So Many Gay Priests 01:10:50 Growing Up Without Language 01:15:47 Landing the Plane Conclusion To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

A Catholic priest (Fr Philippe Dalleur) and youtuber (Ethan Muse) have argued that shadows in photographs taken at Fatima in 1917 provide scientific evidence for extraordinary sources of light in the sky. So I spent more than 100 hours investigating the claim, since my entire job revolves around working with cameras and lighting as a cinematographer. 00:00 - A "Miraculous" Photo? 01:03 - How the Science Should Work 02:32 - What Was Our Lady of Fatima? 03:34 - Series Overview (Skip This) 05:08 - Lenses Loose a Dimension 08:56 - Reason #1: Can't Really Calculate a Lost Dimension 11:27 - How to Actually Calibrate Lenses 14:14 - Reason #2: Vintage Lenses Make It Even Harder 16:17 - The Third Dimension 18:10 - Reason #3: They Didn't Validate Their Methods 19:13 - Reason #4: Shadows Can't Really Be Measured 22:13 - Example Optics of Similar Scene 22:52 - Preview of Part 2: Lies in Development This is a three part series. Part 1 (this video) covers why lenses make these calculations almost impossible without calibration. Part 2 will cover their terrible development process and post-production deception. And then Part 3 will recreate the lighting effect they're talking about. Source #1: "Fatima Pictures and Testimonials: in-depth Analysis" published on March 8, 2021in Scientia et Fides (keep in mind, this is not a peer reviewed science journal, they claim it's 'peer reviewed' but the peers are humanities people) Source #2: "Fatima's Miracle Photo D115 - Sun Height Estimation" published on Sep 24, 2021 on the YouTube channel "BioPhilo" (I confirmed with Ethan that this is Dalleur's channel) Source #3: "Sun Elevation Evaluation Technique + HUD" published on Aug 10, 2022 on the YouTube channel "BioPhilo" Source #4: "Our Lady of Fatima" published on Sep 5, 2025 by Ethan Muse on his substack. Source #5: "It Wasn't the Sun!" published on Oct 10, 2025 by Ethan Muse on his substack. Source #6: "Catholic vs. Atheist: Was Fatima Miraculous?" of Ethan Muse and James Fodor on Jul 18, 2026 on the "Capturing Christianity" YouTube channel hosted by Cameron Burtuzzi To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

The recent SSPX excommunications have left a lot of Catholics—and even journalists—trying to understand what actually happened. In this episode, I sit down with Hunter, a former SSPX traditionalist (and also former sedevacantist seminarian), to unpack the history behind the headlines. We explain Vatican II, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, the founding of the SSPX, the 1988 episcopal consecrations, the creation of the FSSP, and why Pope Leo XIV's decision is different from previous popes. We also discuss how traditionalist movements understand authority, conscience, and obedience, and why this controversy has been building for decades rather than weeks. 00:00 SSPX Excommunication News 00:55 Hunter’s Trad Journey 03:31 What Happened In July in Econe, Switzerland 05:34 Nuclear Excommunication Explained 09:02 Vatican II Basics 12:06 Lefebvre and SSPX Origins 16:12 Spirit of Vatican II Debates 21:33 Key Doctrinal Flashpoints 27:28 Subsistit In Controversy 30:28 1974 Declaration and Breakaway 33:50 1983 Split and Sedevacantists 36:04 Obedience Paradox and Fallout 36:57 Bad Commands vs Doctrine 37:42 Sedevacantists Inside SSPX 41:15 1988 Bishops and Split 44:17 Valid vs Licit Sacraments 46:51 Obedience Paradox and Conscience 57:54 July Consecrations Fallout 01:03:24 Will SSPX Radicalize 01:07:09 Future of Trad Groups 01:09:49 Wrap Up and Thanks To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

In this episode of Apostate Imprimatur , Colin and I react to Brian Holdsworth's video asking how to tell a "real" Catholic from a "fake" Catholic. What starts as a discussion about Catholic identity quickly turns into debates about language, gender, authority, and whether Catholic apologetics consistently apply their own standards. We discuss why so much Catholic YouTube feels like insider baseball, examine Brian's analogies about chairs, cars, and police officers, and argue that many conservative critiques of gender misunderstand what gender scholars are actually saying. Along the way, we talk about Catholic definitions, language change, trans identities, Church authority, and why some apologetic arguments seem persuasive only if you've never encountered the opposing viewpoint. 00:00 Episode Two Kickoff 01:20 Trad Cath Vibes and Profanity 02:33 Series Format and Feedback 05:12 Cue the Candace Owens Video 05:58 Catholic YouTube Insider Baseball 08:57 Cookie Break and Hot Takes 12:04 Who Counts as Catholic 13:21 Gender Detour What Is a Woman 23:33 Police Officer Analogy 30:00 Definitions Language and Power 34:18 Matter Form and Sacraments 38:11 Chair Example and Cake Chairs 38:58 What Counts as a Chair 39:19 Context Makes Words Work 40:19 Chairs and Trans Analogies 41:33 Form Matter and Sacraments 41:57 Car Parts and Functionality 44:35 Personhood Corpses and Souls 47:04 Uncanny Feelings Explained 49:42 Internal Bonds vs External Bonds 52:24 Defining Catholic Membership 57:06 Fake Catholic vs Not Catholic 01:03:56 SSPX and Legitimate Authority 01:10:29 Gender Debate and Word Games 01:17:10 Wrap Up and Next Video To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

What if the conversation around Christianity and LGBT people is far more complicated than either side admits? In this episode, I sit down with therapist, author, and speaker Peter Valk (LPC) to explore one of the most difficult conversations happening in the Church today. We discuss conversion therapy, Side B Christianity, historic Christian sexual ethics, language surrounding sexuality and gender, why many churches struggle to talk about these topics well, and how pastors, parents, and Christians can approach these conversations with greater compassion and honesty. Whether you agree with Peter's conclusions or not, this conversation is about understanding the complexity behind the headlines and moving beyond culture-war talking points toward thoughtful dialogue. 00:00 Meet Peter Valk 03:49 Why This Should Matter for Both Sides 11:35 Labels and Language 14:56 Gender Terms Explained 17:40 Identity Label Debate 20:30 Pastors and Discomfort 23:08 Sacred Cows 25:57 Listening Without Fear 29:55 Coming Out Well 33:36 Respectful Questions 35:43 Resources to Learn 37:42 Practical Church Steps 42:14 Clear Welcome Messages 47:35 Conversion Therapy Warning 54:45 Long Term Support 58:01 Wrap Up and Where to Find To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

In this episode, Colin, Kevin NonTradiCath, and I react to Christian Wagner and Noah/Jesus and Whatnots' argument that kissing before marriage is sinful and compare it with the historical sources he cites. Along the way, we explore the writings of St. Alphonsus Liguori, medieval and early modern Catholic sexual ethics, Christopher West, Theology of the Body, and whether Catholics can really claim that the Church has always taught one consistent moral framework. We also discuss how debates like this reveal a deeper issue: if Catholics still have to decide which saints, theologians, and authorities to follow, is Catholicism really as different from Protestantism as many apologists claim? 00:00 Podcast Intro and Chaos 00:59 Meet Kevin and the Premise 01:53 Can You Kiss Your Girlfriend 04:14 Why This Debate Matters 06:34 Who Is Christian Wagner 11:36 Watching the No Kissing Video 12:28 Laxity and Catholic Authority 16:14 Near Occasion of Sin Stories 20:57 Alphonsus Quotes and Sex Panic 23:53 Skipping Ahead to the Argument 26:20 Repression and Catholic Guilt 28:33 Kevin Pulls the Alphonsus Book 31:00 Who Was Alphonsus Liguori 32:13 Liguori Moral Doctor 34:03 Doctors You Cant Disagree 36:37 Modesty Of The Eyes 37:49 Dont Look At Women 47:54 Mortal Sin By Looking at Kids 50:03 Repression And Obsession 52:42 Modesty In Speech 55:16 Laughter Under Scrutiny 01:01:44 Fasting And Health Claims 01:04:35 Holy Lettuce Possession 01:06:59 Liguori And Extremes 01:07:57 Rules Over Harm 01:08:41 Drowning Rescue Caveats 01:11:37 Magisterial Minimalism 01:14:02 Three Tier Authority Critique 01:19:58 Fallible Framework Problem 01:20:27 No Infallible List 01:25:19 Back To Kissing Debate 01:26:53 Jimmy Akin Weigh Teachings 01:30:46 Protestantism With Extra Steps 01:34:04 Real World Harm 01:39:53 Final Takeaways And Goodbye To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

Christian marriage advice often sounds inspiring, but what happens when it encourages people to ignore compatibility, personal calling, financial realities, or even their own well-being? In this episode, I sit down with former evangelical pastor ⁨@BrianRecker⁩ to examine one of the biggest Christian relationship influencers online and unpack the messages behind his viral marriage advice. We talk about purity culture, patriarchy, complementarianism, having large families, fear-based theology, and how these ideas shape dating, marriage, and parenting in both evangelical and conservative Catholic circles. We also discuss why so much Christian relationship advice focuses on roles instead of people, how hell and religious fear influence life decisions, and what healthier, more equal relationships can look like after deconstruction. Read Brian's new book 'Hell Bent' - https://a.co/d/0ad4Sd2D Brian's substack: https://brianrecker.substack.com 00:00 Brian’s Evangelical Background 02:51 Fear of Hell and Assurance 05:23 Purity Culture and Sexual Shame 07:03 Who Is Ryan Miller 09:25 Love at First Sight Claims 11:57 Wife and Mom as Calling 17:07 Parenting Overwhelm and Pressure 22:48 Spiritual Bypassing and Big Families 30:01 Have More Kids Than You Can Afford 37:07 Comments Reveal the Harm 43:42 Hell as a Control Mechanism 47:05 A Healthier Christian Vision 48:33 Relearning Relationships Resources 52:33 Where to Follow Brian 54:03 Final Thanks and Wrap Up To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

For years I assumed the choice was simple: Catholicism or Protestantism. But the deeper I looked, the more I realized there is an entire world of high church Christianity that most people never hear about. In this conversation, I'm joined by Austin from @GospelSimplicity to explore Anglicanism, Episcopalianism, Lutheranism, Orthodoxy, liturgy, tradition, deconstruction, and what options exist for people who are reevaluating Catholicism but still want to take Christianity seriously. We discuss why young Christians are rediscovering tradition, the appeal of high church worship, the differences between Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, and Lutheran churches, and practical advice for anyone trying to find a spiritual home after deconstruction. 00:00 Austin’s Faith Journey 02:50 Why Episcopalian And Not Catholic 06:27 Discovering Protestant Breadth 10:42 Protestant Label Explained 13:46 Why Gen Z Loves Tradition 19:31 High Church Protestant Map 28:00 Are Teachings Simpler 31:21 Anglican Openness to Doctrine 32:24 Brittle Faith and Flexibility 33:39 Episcopal vs Anglican Explained 35:53 Anglican Labels in America 38:40 Why People Convert to Orthodoxy 41:55 Orthodox Diversity and Trends 44:04 Advice for Deconstructing Catholics 49:20 Finding a Church Without Paralysis 54:03 Praying While Spiritually Homeless To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

When I was a traditional Catholic, I was taught exactly what atheism was supposed to be: lonely, meaningless, directionless, and ultimately incapable of providing a fulfilling life. Then I became an atheist myself. In this episode, I reflect on my journey from devout Catholicism to atheism and explain why I don't actually think atheism is a worldview at all. I talk about losing my faith, losing my community, searching for meaning, running ultramarathons, and eventually discovering that atheism wasn't a replacement for religion. 00:00 - Backstory 01:16 - What Catholicism Taught Me About Atheism 03:00 - I Never Wanted to Experience Atheism 05:33 - Atheism Was As Bad as I Was Told 07:03 - What An Alcoholic Ultramarathoner Taught Me 09:42 - Atheism is Nothing, Because It's Everything 11:26 - Atheism is Options - Not a Plan 12:46 - Atheism Gave Me Everything I Love 15:37 - The Irony of Ultramarathon Finish Lines To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

Today on the Intrinsically Ordered Podcast, Colin returns for the first episode of our new reaction series: The Apostates' Imprimatur. We react to a video from ⁨@BrianHoldsworth⁩ titled “I’m Not Smart Enough to Be Protestant” and unpack some of the biggest questions surrounding Catholicism, Protestantism, authority, heresy, and the chaos of early Christianity. As two former traditional Catholics with years inside the Latin Mass world, we break down whether Christianity actually provides a reliable path to “truth,” whether Catholic authority solves the problems it claims to solve, and why debates about doctrine have existed since the earliest days of the church. We also dive into Protestantism, Catholic converts, church history, heresy, the Trinity, the Bible, and the strange world of online Catholic apologetics. 00:00 Podcast Return and Format 01:11 Colin’s Trad Catholic Background 09:33 Reacting to Protestant Confusion 35:17 Early Christianity Chaos 36:43 Paul and Church Authority 42:05 Gospel for the Poor 56:51 Unity as Proof 01:19:04 Trad Caths vs Authority 01:20:41 Interpretation Problem Returns 01:27:42 Canon History and Church Fathers 01:53:34 Hell Threat and Harm To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

I spent a week researching one of the internet’s most viral and controversial gender stories - someone who detransitioned, became a Christian influencer, and then ultimately transitioned again. In this video, I break down the full timeline, the psychology behind what happened, and how online religious communities, algorithms, and high-control dynamics may have shaped this journey in ways most people are completely missing. 0:00 - Conservative Meltdown 2:23 - Neeza's First Posts 11:15 - Her First Time at Church 18:10 - Christian Hate and Gender Dysphoria 30:31 - Becoming Catholic 49:55 - "Failing" Jesus 59:19 - Toxic Christian Responses 1:12:54 - Better Christian Responses 1:18:24 - Neeza's Thoughts To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

Former youth minister (and current Catholic) Ashley Kiefer joins me to talk about the messy overlap of faith, OCD, and scrupulosity. We trace her journey from professional Catholic youth worker to licensed therapist, why quoting the catechism at every problem stopped working, and how therapy forced her to learn actual listening instead of spiritual “fixing.” We dig into what scrupulosity really is, how it shows up as a subtype of OCD, why sermons that end with “just trust God more” don’t work, and how online Catholic culture and “rad trad” spaces can quietly supercharge religious anxiety. Ashley shares practical steps for discerning when it’s time to see a therapist, how to find scrupulosity-literate help, and why dealing with OCD is not a betrayal of your faith. 00:00 Ashley’s Journey from Youth Ministry to Therapy 04:21 Discussing Mental Health in Youth Ministry 07:34 Transitioning to a Career in Therapy 10:40 The Role of Faith in Therapy 25:59 Scrupulosity and OCD 29:52 Addressing Misconceptions and Scrupulosity 35:45 Understanding Intrusive Thoughts 39:24 Scrupulosity in Catholicism 56:15 Seeking Help and Resources To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

I got invited by @HeliocentricOfficial to one of the biggest evangelical Christian YouTuber conferences in the country… as a gay atheist. Surrounded by Christian apologists, pastors, influencers, Mormons, Catholics, and some of the biggest names in Christian internet culture, I spent three days asking a simple question: why am I still an atheist after all of this? From debates on the Trinity to conversations about homosexuality, conversion therapy, suffering, and the strange beauty of religion itself, this was one of the most fascinating weekends I’ve had in a long time. 0:00 - Influencers^3 01:22 - @Heliocentric 's invitation 03:26 - Day 1 04:06 - Lesson 1 08:05 - Day 1 Continues 09:44 - Lesson 2 17:26 - The Debate 18:37 - Lesson 3 23:54 - Post Debate 24:45 - Lesson 4 28:54 - Day 2's Craziness 31:02 - Lesson 5 34:17 - Bringing My Boyfriend To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

What if the Latin Mass isn’t the magic solution everyone online says it is? In this episode of the Intrinsically Ordered Podcast, I sit down with Kevin Non-Trad, who was literally born into an FSSP Latin Mass community, went to the parish school in the church basement, prayed the rosary in Latin, and watched his childhood classmates quietly drift away from the faith. I come from the opposite direction: a suburban Novus Ordo kid who dove head-first into trad YouTube, daily rosaries, and Latin Mass as the supposed answer to the Church’s crisis—only to leave Catholicism anyway. 00:00 Kevin's Background in the Latin Mass 05:15 Retention Rates and Realities 07:05 Challenges and Critiques of the Traditionalist Movement 18:31 Liturgical Anecdotes 18:58 Why People Convert 21:46 Challenges and Criticisms of Latin Mass 25:06 The Human Connection to Rituals and Music 26:32 The Complexity of Faith and Personal Beliefs To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

I've been working on this case for almost a year now - and I figured I'd give you the ultimate guide to understanding what is evening happening with conversion therapy and the Supreme Court. In this video, I break down the law, the arguments, and what the majority, concurrence, and dissent actually say. More importantly, I explain what the case is really about—because the framing of the question changes everything. 0:00 Background: Framing the Case 6:54 Background: What Colorado Law Says 12:07 Background: Defining Conversion Therapy 20:04 Background: How the Case Got Here 26:37 Background: First Amendment Basics 32:33 Background: How SCOTUS Decisions Work 43:29 Majority: Strict Scrutiny Explained 47:27 Majority: What Therapy Really Is 51:06 Majority: Parsing Colorado Law 54:39 Majority: Speech Versus Conduct 55:17 Majority: Facial V As Applied Challenge 58:34 Majority: Black Swan Analogy 1:02:11 Majority: No Perfect Precedent Fits 1:10:48 Majority: Bad Citations And Categories 1:14:01 Majority: Lawyers Cases Aren't Therapy 1:16:41 Majority: NIFLA Case Breakdown 1:20:24 Majority: Viewpoint Discrimination Claim 1:21:38 Majority: Orientation Versus Behavior 1:24:09 Majority: Religion Not The Issue 1:25:06 Majority: NIFLA 1:28:30 Majority: Professional Speech Limits 1:29:39 Majority: Viewpoint Discrimination Claim 1:36:28 Majority: Speech Versus Conduct 1:38:54 Majority: Informed Consent Analogy 1:45:59 Majority: Licensing Tradition Debate 1:56:51 Majority: Therapy Is Medical Treatment 2:05:16 Majority: Licensing And What’s Still Allowed 2:08:38 Majority: Consent Power Dynamics 2:10:28 Majority: When Actions Are Speech 2:13:57 Majority: Majority Logic Breakdown 2:19:23 Majority: Medical Consensus Hypothetical 2:23:51 Colorado Strategy Failures 2:32:28 Concurrence: Viewpoint Claim 2:36:46 Concurrence: Not A Mirror Image 2:40:54 Dissent: Jackson’s Framework 2:48:19 Dissent: Harms Of Conversion Therapy 2:52:42 Dissent: Why Minors Need Protection 2:52:56 Dissent: Fraud Not Free Speech 2:53:27 Dissent: What The Law Actually Bans 2:54:37 Dissent: Allowed Goals And Counseling 2:55:15 Dissent: Transition And Detransition Clarified 2:56:49 Dissent: Speech Versus Treatment Conduct 2:59:00 Dissent: Case Law And Student Speech 3:02:30 Dissent: NLA Versus Casey Breakdown 3:07:18 Dissent: Words As Medical Treatment 3:11:32 Dissent: Defining Professional Medical Speech 3:15:22 Dissent: Standards Of Care And Viewpoints 3:23:38 Dissent: History Of Licensing And Malpractice 3:32:37 Dissent: Majority Plays With Fire 3:39:04 Dedication And Final Thoughts To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

In this episode of the Intrinsically Ordered Podcast, I sit down with Griffin to hear one of the most intense and personal stories I’ve encountered about growing up gay in a Christian environment. We talk about what it’s like to be taught that your identity is sinful, the psychological toll of trying to “pray the gay away,” and how systems of shame, guilt, and fear can shape the way you see yourself. Griffin shares his firsthand experience with conversion therapy, including manipulation tactics, missionary school, and even being pressured into shock therapy. We also explore what it looks like to break free from that world, rebuild your identity, and navigate the tension between faith and sexuality—along with how these stories are still impacting people today. 00:00 Strict Megachurch Upbringing 04:01 Realizing He Was Gay 21:46 Hawaii Mission School Brainwashing 28:38 Fear Tactics and Shame 32:05 Ex-Gay TikTok Era 34:36 Coerced Shock Therapy 40:37 Healing and Hope Ahead To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.

*Skip to 01:23:00 - if you just want to see the slavery bit* After a few months off podcasting, I came back with one of the wildest conversations I’ve had with a Catholic apologist. This is my third debate with Noah from ⁨@Jesus.andwhatnot⁩ and we start in a pretty normal place: the historicity of Jesus, what (if anything) we can know from the sources, how reliable the Gospels are, and whether claims like crucifixion and resurrection can be treated like other ancient historical questions. Then the conversation takes a sharp turn into epistemology—faith vs. history, “first principles,” and whether the Catholic Church can be treated as an infallible authority. And yes: there’s a moment where he starts defending slavery, which honestly caught me off guard in real time. If you want the calm historical discussion, it’s here. If you want the “what did I just hear” moment, you’ll definitely find it. Either way, I hope this helps you think more clearly about what counts as evidence, what counts as faith, and how people build worldviews. 00:00 Introduction and Podcast Return 02:43 Debate Setup: Historicity of Jesus 06:04 Exploring the Historical Jesus 18:34 Crucifixion and Resurrection Debate 32:03 Skepticism and Historical Evidence 47:51 The Presupposition of Jesus as God 48:25 Mary's Perpetual Virginity: Historical or Faith Claim? 49:28 Catholicism and Historical Claims 53:43 Epistemology and Circular Reasoning 55:45 First Principles and Trust in the Catholic Church 59:08 Faith vs. Historical Evidence 01:02:46 The Role of the Catholic Church in Morality 01:06:07 Debating the Stability of Worldviews 01:09:31 The Evolution of Catholic Doctrine 01:23:00 - DEFENDING SLAVERY 01:27:11 Closing Statements and Reflections To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad To be a guest on the episode, visit my YT channel and send me an email.