The Gwart Show | Blockspace Media

Lyn Alden joins Gwart to talk about the Coldcard security incident, changing self-custody heuristics, game theory behind Bitcoin soft forks, and the true addressable market for stablecoins. She shares insights on MicroStrategy's reserve guidance, her new private equity holding company Orange Juice, early-stage venture thesis, and whether Bitcoin can outperform gold as the ultimate store of value. Timestamps: 00:00 Start 00:34 ColdCard hack 04:06 Future of Self Custody 11:14 ETF margin is easier 16:19 Stablecoins 23:16 Strategy 26:49 Strategy's game plan 29:28 Treasury companies are cooked 33:20 Strategy: when BTC becomes money 40:12 Orange Juice 44:38 Orange Juice plan 47:06 Investable verticals 51:30 Where' the new Bitcoin buyer? 55:53 Is the bottom in? 56:42 BTC as store of value? The Gwart Show is sponsored by Ellipsis Labs. Ellipsis Labs builds the most efficient on-chain markets. Their orderbook and Prop AMM products have delivered price improvement to hundreds of billions of dollars in retail volume. Now, they are bringing their expertise to build Phoenix, the best on-chain perpetuals platform. Ellipsis Labs is hiring New York-based engineers. If you're an engineer looking to work with a proven team in making DeFi better, go to ellipsislabs.xyz/careers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lucas V. Schuermann, Co-Founder of Variational, joins us to talk about building a high-performance crypto brokerage model on Arbitrum. Lucas explains how Variational routes execution to TradFi venues, eliminates external market maker extraction through its in-house LP, introduces flat-rate swaps to fix funding rate volatility, and builds isolated smart contracts to protect user capital. Subscribe to the newsletter! https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com --- ## Notes: * Variational sees $1B daily volume on platform. * Platform holds $1.4B in total open interest. * Swaps feature a flat carry cost around 4% to 5%. * LP takes the other side of 100% of platform trades. Timestamps: 00:00 Start 00:46 Lucas' background 03:20 Hedgefund strategies 05:59 Hedgefund tasks 08:31 Variational founding 10:45 Variational market structure 13:41 RWA 16:32 RWA hedging 19:17 Market neutrality 22:53 "Venue for execution" 26:36 Price discovery on-chain 30:02 Building on Arbitrium 33:52 Liquidity pool 37:08 Users depositing to OLP 39:52 A Prop AMM for Perps? 42:23 Future of Order Flow 46:18 Order book theater? 50:50 Incentive programs 55:09 Swaps 57:06 Wrap up The Gwart Show is sponsored by Ellipsis Labs. Ellipsis Labs builds the most efficient on-chain markets. Their orderbook and Prop AMM products have delivered price improvement to hundreds of billions of dollars in retail volume. Now, they are bringing their expertise to build Phoenix, the best on-chain perpetuals platform. Ellipsis Labs is hiring New York-based engineers. If you're an engineer looking to work with a proven team in making DeFi better, go to ellipsislabs.xyz/careers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

John Wang, Lead of Crypto & Perps at Kalshi, joins us to talk about bringing CFTC-regulated crypto perpetual futures and prediction markets to the US. John shares insights on growing Kalshi's crypto business, expanding across 140 countries, institutional liquidity, standardized compute indices, and why regulatory compliance scales better than offshore exchanges. The Gwart Show is sponsored by Ellipsis Labs. Ellipsis Labs builds the most efficient on-chain markets. Their orderbook and Prop AMM products have delivered price improvement to hundreds of billions of dollars in retail volume. Now, they are bringing their expertise to build Phoenix, the best on-chain perpetuals platform. Ellipsis Labs is hiring New York-based engineers. If you're an engineer looking to work with a proven team in making DeFi better, go to ellipsislabs.xyz/careers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Christian Catalini, Co-founder of Lightspark joins us to talk about his journey from the MIT Bitcoin experiment to co-founding Libra. Christian breaks down why regulators killed Libra, the limits of the Lightning Network, and why Bitcoin needs new opcodes. He also shares his framework for AI value accrual, the power of verifiable open-source models, and the reality of agentic payments. Subscribe to the newsletter! [https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com](https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com) --- ## Notes: * Lightning Network is capital inefficient. * AI models are commoditizing intelligence. * Open-source AI catches frontier models fast. * Bitcoin scaling requires a new opcode. Timestamps: 00:00 Start 00:28 Christain's background 02:50 What's up with AI? 05:15 AI conclusions 07:12 The core insight (verification) 11:37 Is there start up value left? 15:24 Do large LLMs still have moat? 20:15 NVIDIA open source models 23:05 Is the future about LLMs or other tech? 26:00 Libra history 29:19 Lightspark 33:36 Scaling Bitcoin 39:02 Does "neutrality " have value? 46:09 Why would stablecoins stay on-chain? 49:55 Bitcoin promise land 55:26 WTF are "agentic payments"? The Gwart Show is sponsored by Ellipsis Labs. Ellipsis Labs builds the most efficient on-chain markets. Their orderbook and Prop AMM products have delivered price improvement to hundreds of billions of dollars in retail volume. Now, they are bringing their expertise to build Phoenix, the best on-chain perpetuals platform. Ellipsis Labs is hiring New York-based engineers. If you're an engineer looking to work with a proven team in making DeFi better, go to ellipsislabs.xyz/careers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ivo Crnkovic-Rubsamen, Co-Founder of Pascal Trading joins us to talk about building the next generation of prediction markets. Ivo shares insights from his time at Bridgewater, D.E. Shaw, and dYdX, explaining how Pascal is solving major capital efficiency issues in DeFi. We dive deep into oracle-free price discovery, order book design, and how to scale robust leverage extension outside the core matching loop to protect trading venues. Subscribe to the newsletter! https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com Notes: * Ivo worked as a quant at Bridgewater and D.E. Shaw. * Joined dYdX in late 2021 as an early trader. * Focuses on robust leverage outside matching loop. * Enables price discovery for oracle-free assets. Timestamps: 00:00 Start 00:24 Ivo's background 02:27 Pascal design 05:08 Traders as target audience 07:05 Polymarket & nonces 13:30 Building order management system 14:25 testing the markets 21:18 Prediction markets 31:58 "Insider trading" 36:50 Wall St. & sports betting 44:55 Prediction markets as insurnace 50:43 Removing "house edge" & fees 58:17 Markets on Pascal The Gwart Show is sponsored by Ellipsis Labs. Ellipsis Labs builds the most efficient on-chain markets. Their orderbook and Prop AMM products have delivered price improvement to hundreds of billions of dollars in retail volume. Now, they are bringing their expertise to build Phoenix, the best on-chain perpetuals platform. Ellipsis Labs is hiring New York-based engineers. If you're an engineer looking to work with a proven team in making DeFi better, go to ellipsislabs.xyz/careers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ethan Marcus, CEO of Flashnet joins us to talk about how Flashnet is building a global pool of liquidity for Bitcoin. Ethan explains why the Lightning Network falls short for multi-asset scaling and how Spark's state-chain architecture enables instant, zero-fee swaps. We dive into Flashnet’s B2B integrations with neobanks and merchant platforms, the trend toward on-chain retail execution, and their upcoming expansion into liquidations and Bitcoin-denominated financial services. Subscribe to the newsletter! [https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com](https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com) Notes: * Bitcoin trades over $30 trillion annually.* System requires one honest operator.* Much of Cash App's revenue is Bitcoin-based. Timestamps: 00:00 Start 00:49 Ethan's background 03:09 Spark 04:15 State chains 05:12 Spark design 07:22 State chain unlocks 09:07 Flashnet design 10:26 B2B clients 12:03 Comparing Spark vs other L2 13:42 What form does USD take? 15:08 Self custody 20:05 The problems that Spark solves 21:42 Spark ecosystem 24:03 Solana is so good! 26:41 Stablecoins 29:25 Assets other than BTC 33:16 Swaps landscape 36:57 Other Flashnet opportunities 41:33 Spark update 44:01 Roxom 47:09 Flashnet & retail The Gwart Show is sponsored by Ellipsis Labs. Ellipsis Labs builds the most efficient on-chain markets. Their orderbook and Prop AMM products have delivered price improvement to hundreds of billions of dollars in retail volume. Now, they are bringing their expertise to build Phoenix, the best on-chain perpetuals platform. Ellipsis Labs is hiring New York-based engineers. If you're an engineer looking to work with a proven team in making DeFi better, go to ellipsislabs.xyz/careers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Udi Wertheimer, Founder of Taproot Wizards joins us to talk about the shifting narratives of Bitcoin, the structural flaws of layer-2 scaling solutions, and how stablecoins enable Hyperliquid and Polymarket. He critiques Michael Saylor’s aggressive financial engineering tactics, explaining why MicroStrategy stopping its Bitcoin buying spree is a far greater systemic risk to the market than Saylor actually selling his bags. Subscribe to the newsletter! https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com Notes: * Udi missed his $400k 2025 BTC forecast. * Saylor's treasury is worth $55 billion. * Saylor not buying for one quarter poses major risk. * Treasury value could drop to $20 billion. * MSTR holds a $2 billion cash reserve limit. Timestamps: 00:00 Start 00:10 "I was wrong" - Udi 03:02 Layer 2 04:08 Recent Bitcoin history 07:56 On-chain activity will be fringe behavior 13:10 True believers & this cycle 17:37 narrative changes 21:02 Stablecoins 26:00 Agentic payments 27:26 Stablecoins & prediction markets 36:32 STRC selling BTC 43:22 Saylor thought experiment 47:05 Saylor BTC supply overhang 50:05 Saylor "folding" 57:48 10% of Gold supply 1:00:14 Is ANYTHING bullish now? 1:04:14 AI vibe coding The Gwart Show is sponsored by Ellipsis Labs. Ellipsis Labs builds the most efficient on-chain markets. Their orderbook and Prop AMM products have delivered price improvement to hundreds of billions of dollars in retail volume. Now, they are bringing their expertise to build Phoenix, the best on-chain perpetuals platform. Ellipsis Labs is hiring New York-based engineers. If you're an engineer looking to work with a proven team in making DeFi better, go to ellipsislabs.xyz/careers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alexander Leishman, CEO and Founder of River, joins us to talk about his vision for building a Bitcoin bank. We dive deep into why Coinbase pursued a local maximum with altcoin trading, the stickiness of traditional banking despite 0.01% yields, and why stablecoins lack product-market fit for Americans. Alex also shares his perspective on the limits of Lightning Network for global commerce, the necessity of proof of reserves after the FTX collapse, and why Bitcoin's terminal state is to become a boring treasury asset.Subscribe to the newsletter! [https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com](https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com)Notes:* River started in 2019 as a Bitcoin bank.* Coinbase charged retail 2% for altcoin trades.* Major banks pay 0.01% interest on savings.* Proof of reserves adopted after FTX collapse.* Zombie nodes have near-zero running costs.Timestamps:00:00 Start00:34 Starting River01:51 Before River02:59 From altcoins to Bitcoin05:15 Save in BTC08:17 Coinbase trajectory10:13 Stablecoins14:10 Yield, and other fun distractions17:45 Lightning24:24 Proof of reserves26:39 Paper BTC28:08 10/10/25 fallout?33:19 Current cycle vibes36:10 Portfolio allocation39:47 Self custody42:06 Self custody unlocks45:07 Hyperliquid & others50:44 Admitting you were wrong56:05 Quantum The Gwart Show is sponsored by Ellipsis Labs. Ellipsis Labs builds the most efficient on-chain markets. Their orderbook and Prop AMM products have delivered price improvement to hundreds of billions of dollars in retail volume. Now, they are bringing their expertise to build Phoenix, the best on-chain perpetuals platform. Ellipsis Labs is hiring New York-based engineers. If you're an engineer looking to work with a proven team in making DeFi better, go to ellipsislabs.xyz slash careers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rahul Jain, Head of Trading at Ellipsis Labs, joins us to talk about the reality of market making on Solana. Rahul breaks down why spot order books fail against toxic makers, how transactional introspection protects liquidity, and the economics of running modern prop execution systems. He dives into the mechanics of Phoenix's new perps platform, managing oracle attacks on illiquid tokens, the structural advantages of owning user flow on-chain, and whether decentralized perps are a winner-take-most game. Subscribe to the newsletter! https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com Notes: * Firm held 20-25% crypto options market share. * Toxic takers pick off makers for tens of K a day. * Basic prop contracts can make around $1,000/day. Timestamps: 00:00 Start 00:50 Rahul's background 02:45 Why move from spot trading? 06:50 Future of Prop AMMs 09:21 Order book games 14:07 Innovations on the horizon 16:17 RFQ 18:14 On-chain price dislocations 20:04 Why Perps? 25:35 Taker speedbumps 26:29 Market making in TradFi vs Crypto 28:30 MEV 29:39 Deciding assets to quote 31:43 Managing risk 33:16 MCP or bust 34:57 MPC problems 38:00 Why use Pheonix? 40:36 Composability 42:22 Splines 45:22 Scaling the market 47:51 "king making" on Solana 53:58 Are perps "winner take all"? The Gwart Show is sponsored by Ellipsis Labs. Ellipsis Labs builds the most efficient on-chain markets. Their orderbook and Prop AMM products have delivered price improvement to hundreds of billions of dollars in retail volume. Now, they are bringing their expertise to build Phoenix, the best on-chain perpetuals platform. Ellipsis Labs is hiring New York-based engineers. If you're an engineer looking to work with a proven team in making DeFi better, go to ellipsislabs.xyz slash careers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tarun Chitra, Co-Founder & CEO of Gauntlet, joins us to talk about the evolution of DeFi lending, the shift toward active vault management, and recent high-profile security exploits like Resolve and KelpDAO. We dive into the hidden risks of restaking protocols, the friction between DAO ideologues and risk curators, open-source versus closed-source infrastructure vulnerability, and how AI agents are shaping both cyberattacks and defensive measures in Web3. Subscribe to the newsletter! https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com Notes: * North Korea stole $800M from Bangladesh bank. * Some re-staking protocols had LTVs up to 0.98. * DAO parameters often update only once a week. Timestamps: 00:00 Start 00:16 DeFi vibe check 01:44 Vaults in DeFi 06:13 Actively managed vaults 14:21 Collateral risks 19:00 Attack learnings 21:37 KelpDAO 29:11 Transperency 30:15 Composibility risks 37:47 Should finance be open source? 43:02 Timelocks 49:28 Clawbacks are the future! The Gwart Show is sponsored by Ellipsis Labs. Ellipsis Labs builds the most efficient on-chain markets. Their orderbook and Prop AMM products have delivered price improvement to hundreds of billions of dollars in retail volume. Now, they are bringing their expertise to build Phoenix, the best on-chain perpetuals platform. Ellipsis Labs is hiring New York-based engineers. If you're an engineer looking to work with a proven team in making DeFi better, go to ellipsislabs dot xyz slash careers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alex Thorn, Head of Research at Galaxy Digital describes the current state of crypto legislation. He explains the Clarity Act, the role of stablecoins in the global economy, and the impact of the Trump administration on digital asset rules. Alex provides an institutional perspective on Bitcoin's recent all-time high, the reality of market deleveraging events, and why permissionless finance remains the ultimate goal.Subscribe to the newsletter! https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.comNotes: • 70 Democrats voted for bill • Prediction odds at ~40% • SEC has 3 GOP commissioners • Deleverage on October 10th Timestamps:00:00 Start00:54 Alex's Galaxy role02:43 Recent topic focus05:06 regulation07:08 CLARITY act14:00 Politics and token creation19:51 Trump remorse?22:39 Current market vibes35:49 "Crypto" lagging Bitcoin43:28 "Just use AAVE"52:04 Are you ENTERTAINED! The Gwart Show is sponsored by Ellipsis Labs. Ellipsis Labs builds the most efficient on-chain markets. Their orderbook and Prop AMM products have delivered price improvement to hundreds of billions of dollars in retail volume. Now, they are bringing their expertise to build Phoenix, the best on-chain perpetuals platform. Ellipsis Labs is hiring New York-based engineers. If you're an engineer looking to work with a proven team in making DeFi better, go to ellipsislabs dot xyz slash careers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Justin Drake joins us to talk about the reality of cryptographically relevant quantum computers (CROC). We dive into his recent work with Google scientists on Shor’s algorithm optimizations and why neutral atoms have become the "dark horse" in the race to break Bitcoin’s 256-bit encryption. Justin shares his updated timeline for "Q-Day," the role of US government censorship in quantum research, and why the crypto industry must act now to remain secure. Subscribe to the newsletter! https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com Notes: • 10,000 qubits needed to run Shor's algorithm. • $5B invested in quantum industry last year. • Drake says 10% chance of a "CROC" by 2032. • Neutral atoms run 1,000x slower than superconducting Timestamps: 00:00 Start 00:31 Google paper 03:40 "In flight" key cracking 04:38 Superconducting qbits 05:21 Neutral atom quantum computing 08:42 Broad Quantum overview 10:53 Neutral atoms require far less infrastructure 12:41 Is Google pivoting to Neutral Atoms? 14:12 What does winner mean? 14:41 Q-day 2032? 15:55 Why the fast emergence thesis? 22:52 Theory vs engineering breakthroughs 27:03 Timelines 35:55 What is real vs hype? 37:05 Quantum error correction 41:32 Bitcoin reality check 47:25 Justin Drake is a Bitcoiner, umm kind of... 53:03 Standards 53:43 Signature aggregation 57:19 Are NIST the baddies? 1:00:31 BTC security budget worries 1:05:14 Energy bottleneck 1:06:23 ETH security The Gwart Show is sponsored by Ellipsis Labs. Ellipsis Labs builds the most efficient on-chain markets. Their orderbook and Prop AMM products have delivered price improvement to hundreds of billions of dollars in retail volume. Now, they are bringing their expertise to build Phoenix, the best on-chain perpetuals platform. Ellipsis Labs is hiring New York-based engineers. If you're an engineer looking to work with a proven team in making DeFi better, go to ellipsislabs dot xyz slash careers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Threadguy joins us to talk about his evolution from dropping out of college to write NFT threads to leading the new generation of crypto media. We explore the "Believe" fiasco, the reflexivity of meme coin cycles, and his transition into high-conviction macro trading like his recent oil plays. Threadguy shares insights on the societal trend of taking risks online and whether the explosive manias of the past can ever truly be replicated in a maturing market. Subscribe to the newsletter! https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com Notes: • Believe app peaked at a $400M market cap. • 60%+ of stock options are now zero-expiry. • The US SPR can only release 2M barrels daily. • Threadguy started his Twitter in August 2021. • He traded an Afterburn NFT for a Mutant Ape. • Believe went from zero to peak in three weeks. Timestamps: 00:00 Start 00:36 Where does "Threadguy" come from? 02:26 Favorite NFTs? 06:02 Solana meme memories 11:09 Are there any more crypto markets to try? 14:22 Believe 20:42 Did Believe founders make money? 21:55 Equities on Solana 32:32 Trading Oil 39:18 All markets will trade like crypto 42:47 Best accounts to follow 45:03 Survivorship bias? 48:31 Events leading up to Libra coin 1:02:48 Why launch a token at all? 1:13:10 What are you bullish on? The Gwart Show is sponsored by Ellipsis Labs. Ellipsis Labs builds the most efficient on-chain markets. Their orderbook and Prop AMM products have delivered price improvement to hundreds of billions of dollars in retail volume. Now, they are bringing their expertise to build Phoenix, the best on-chain perpetuals platform. Ellipsis Labs is hiring New York-based engineers. If you're an engineer looking to work with a proven team in making DeFi better, go to ellipsislabs dot xyz slash careers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jake Chervinsky, CEO of the Hyperliquid Policy Center, joins us to talk about the critical mission of advocating for American access to decentralized markets. We dive deep into the limitations of the Commodity Exchange Act, the challenges of KYC in a permissionless world, and the evolving relationship between the SEC and CFTC. Jake explains why the current regulatory framework fails DeFi and how a new approach to licensing or exemptions could finally allow US traders to access products like Hyperliquid perps legally. Subscribe to the newsletter! https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com Notes: • HPC launched in mid-February 2024. • CEA assumes centralized intermediaries in trades. • DCM licenses require total operator control. • Dodd-Frank changes targeted 2008-style leverage. Timestamps: 00:00 Start 00:15 What is the Hyperliquid Policy Center? 01:21 Day in the life of Jake 03:36 What regulations need to change? 06:47 What does a rule change look like? 10:57 Bank secrecy & KYC 14:19 Possible regulation comprimises 17:48 Lobbying for regulation as moat 20:52 ellipsis labs ad 21:39 CES & CFTC now BFF <3 26:17 Devs are NOT money transmitters 31:04 What is "decentralized"? 35:40 CLARITY update 41:10 What's Coinbase doin? 47:11 Canton 54:37 Bitcoin defies regulation 59:38 Spot vs perps 1:03:45 Tokenized securities The Gwart Show is sponsored by Ellipsis Labs. Ellipsis Labs builds the most efficient on-chain markets. Their orderbook and Prop AMM products have delivered price improvement to hundreds of billions of dollars in retail volume. Now, they are bringing their expertise to build Phoenix, the best on-chain perpetuals platform. Ellipsis Labs is hiring New York-based engineers. If you're an engineer looking to work with a proven team in making DeFi better, go to ellipsislabs dot xyz slash careers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chris Bae Founder of Enhanced Digital Group, and Rory Murray, Director of Digital Asset Management at CleanSpark, join us to talk about the professionalization of the Bitcoin mining industry. From managing $40 billion at UBS to overseeing 13,300 BTC at CleanSpark, Rory & Chris break down the three regimes of mining evolution: Wildcat, Market Share, and the current Margin era. We explore why the "Texas Hedge" is failing, how miners use options to manage risk, and why the next frontier for hashrate is AI data centers. Subscribe to the newsletter! https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com **Notes:** * CleanSpark holds ~13,300 BTC * Chris Ray formerly managed $40B at UBS. * BTC -20% drawdown recovery averages 18 days. * Texas hedge: Doubling down on BTC exposure. * Shift toward AI and HPC in mining data centers. Timestamps: 00:00 Start 00:45 Chris' background 05:08 How Rory knows Chris 07:16 Miners hedging risk, or not... 11:55 Reflecting on mining history 20:31 Ellipsis labs 21:18 It's "expansion" not a "pivot" sir 26:22 Bitcoin is the hurdle rate for compute 30:15 Private credit 41:32 What's big money doing right now? 45:06 What's the deal with 10/10/25? 1:00:57 Everything is fake 1:10:24 The age of GRIFT The Gwart Show is sponsored by Ellipsis Labs. Ellipsis Labs builds the most efficient on-chain markets. Their orderbook and Prop AMM products have delivered price improvement to hundreds of billions of dollars in retail volume. Now, they are bringing their expertise to build Phoenix, the best on-chain perpetuals platform. Ellipsis Labs is hiring New York-based engineers. If you're an engineer looking to work with a proven team in making DeFi better, go to ellipsislabs dot xyz slash careers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nick Forster, CEO of Derive joins us to talk about his journey from trading equity options at SIG to building the leading decentralized options platform. Nick talks the shift from AMMs to app chains and why institutional liquidity is moving on-chain. Nick explains Derive's strategy of 'exporting' complex derivatives to 7+ chains and why on-chain transparency is the only fix for centralized OTC risks. Subscribe to the newsletter! https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com Notes: * Captured 90% of on-chain options market share. * Traditional AMMs yielded 5-10% annually initially. * RFQ for institutional liquidity. Timestamps: 00:00 Start 00:19 Nick's background 01:20 History of Options 04:15 The journey toward an L2 App-chain 07:11 The "aggregation of liquidity" thesis 09:40 OTC desks & competitors 13:47 Roadblocks to institutional involvement 16:11 Hyperliquid integration 17:09 HLP 22:09 Perps 27:17 Tap trading vs dice rolls 30:52 Value capture 34:38 EFT options 36:05 Why have perps on Derive? 38:36 Current decentralized trading tech vs tradfi 43:14 Regulations 46:16 RWAs 48:30 Bridging to other chains 50:41 Derive token 52:24 Token holders The Gwart Show is sponsored by Ellipsis Labs. Ellipsis Labs builds the most efficient on-chain markets. Their orderbook and Prop AMM products have delivered price improvement to hundreds of billions of dollars in retail volume. Now, they are bringing their expertise to build Phoenix, the best on-chain perpetuals platform. Ellipsis Labs is hiring New York-based engineers. If you're an engineer looking to work with a proven team in making DeFi better, go to ellipsislabs dot xyz slash careers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Noah Goldberg, Partner at Theia Research, talks about the shifting dynamics of the crypto market in 2025. We chat about why crypto funds are facing attrition, the "Spac-like" collapse of recent projects, and the pivot toward fintech rails. Noah breaks down the fundamentals of Hyperliquid, the reality of token overhang, and the challenges for venture capital in an environment of compressed returns. Subscribe to the newsletter! https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com Notes: → Funds should be up 50% annualized in 2023-24 → Binance TGE tokens down 80-90% after 90 days → Robinhood margin rates: Sofr plus 700 Timestamps: 00:00 Start 00:35 Market overview 03:50 Liquid vs equity funds 06:43 What edge does a crypto fund have now? 12:37 Venture fund revenue prospects 18:15 Thoughts on HYPE 22:42 Quality of earnings 28:46 Taking on Wall Street 39:23 ellipsis labs 40:11 Morpho 52:07 Figure 55:51 Collaterized lending is growing 59:32 Early stage financing 1:03:34 Avici 1:06:00 MetaDAO & futarcy 1:10:25 Prediction markets The Gwart Show is sponsored by Ellipsis Labs. Ellipsis Labs builds the most efficient on-chain markets. Their orderbook and Prop AMM products have delivered price improvement to hundreds of billions of dollars in retail volume. Now, they are bringing their expertise to build Phoenix, the best on-chain perpetuals platform. Ellipsis Labs is hiring New York-based engineers. If you're an engineer looking to work with a proven team in making DeFi better, go to ellipsislabs dot xyz slash careers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dean Eigenmann, Co-Founder of Market Start Inc, joins us to talk about the massive shift in crypto market dynamics. Dean explains his transition from the "closeted" world of MEV trading to launching a liquid-focused fund. We discuss why venture capital overhang has left the market without marginal buyers and why "crypto mullets" are the future of critical infrastructure. Dean also breaks down the math behind token buybacks, comparing the success of Hyperliquid to the struggles of Helium and Jupiter. Subscribe to the newsletter! https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com Notes: → Tokens should be equity → Hyperliquid 11 employees → Jane Street conspiracy Timestamps: 00:00 Start 00:28 Pivoting away from trading 01:11 The acquisition & current MEV landscape 02:11 Markets Inc 04:09 Token framework 05:24 Regulations & other barriers 07:41 Buy backs 09:37 Hyperliquid buy back program 11:33 HYPE 12:49 Inflection point 13:51 Markets Inc scale & project development phases 16:25 ellipsis labs 17:13 What does "helping" projects mean? 20:58 Real time trade finance 23:48 Stablecoins & efficiency gains 25:25 Tokens vs equity 26:01 Investing in stablecoin infrastructure 28:25 Other sectors 29:39 What's NOT investable now? 30:17 But but DePIN... right? 33:41 Projects with sustainable demand? 35:24 AAVE drama 37:13 AAVE DAO & project structure 39:39 Morpho 40:53 Prediction markets 44:11 What's insider trading & Jane Street 45:59 Jane Street conspiracy 47:56 Wrap up The Gwart Show is sponsored by Ellipsis Labs. Ellipsis Labs builds the most efficient on-chain markets. Their orderbook and Prop AMM products have delivered price improvement to hundreds of billions of dollars in retail volume. Now, they are bringing their expertise to build Phoenix, the best on-chain perpetuals platform. Ellipsis Labs is hiring New York-based engineers. If you're an engineer looking to work with a proven team in making DeFi better, go to ellipsislabs dot xyz slash careers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Zack Shapiro, Head of Policy at the Bitcoin Policy Institute and Founder of Rains, joins us to talk about the shifting landscape of crypto regulation under the Trump administration. We discuss why the CLARITY Act is in limbo, the "Defi mullet" and the legal challenges facing AI agents. Zack gives a behind-the-scenes look at the banking lobby's war on stablecoin yields and evaluates the progress of the Strategic Bitcoin Reserve. Subscribe to the newsletter! https://newsletter.blockspacemedia.com Notes: * Banks lobbied for 1:1 yield ban. * Coinbase takes their pound of flesh * AI ends billable hour standard. Timestamps: 00:00 Start 00:24 Who is Zack? 01:25 Bitcoin Policy Institute 04:23 Current policy outlook 10:49 CLARITY Act 17:34 Will CLARITY pass? 19:32 Commodities vs Securities 21:02 Safe harbor 21:19 Howey & Utility tokens 22:37 Developer protections 24:25 How good are protections in CLARITY? 28:56 Crypto crashout & AI agents 33:43 Front ends & KYC 36:13 OFAC 39:43 Ideals in crypto 42:21 BASE 43:30 Crypto in-fighting 46:55 LLMs & the law 52:17 Prediction markets The Gwart Show is sponsored by Ellipsis Labs. Ellipsis Labs builds the most efficient on-chain markets. Their orderbook and Prop AMM products have delivered price improvement to hundreds of billions of dollars in retail volume. Now, they are bringing their expertise to build Phoenix, the best on-chain perpetuals platform. Ellipsis Labs is hiring New York-based engineers. If you're an engineer looking to work with a proven team in making DeFi better, go to ellipsislabs dot xyz slash careers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Kevin and Mitchell, Co-Founders of Sierra, talk about how their backgrounds in central banking and liquid funds led them to build a next-generation stablecoin protocol. We chat about the mechanics of yield, the regulatory landscape for platforms like Polymarket, and why the current shift in crypto is moving toward lean, efficient fintech models. Notes: * 95% to 100% of capital earns yield * Money market yields currently 2-3% * Industry shift to fintech and robotics Timestamps: 00:00 Start 00:44 Mitchell's background 02:11 Kevin's background 03:41 What is Sierra? 05:07 Yield strategies 05:31 Why is Sierra different? 09:01 Abstracting complexity away 10:50 Assessing risk 14:40 Yield percentages 15:48 DeFi Summer yields 18:05 Why use Sierra? 24:00 RWAs & T-bills 27:34 RWA "quality" 32:20 What is "on-chain"? 37:14 Composability 42:04 Current state of funds 46:38 Future of venture funding 49:24 Winners & losers The Gwart Show is sponsored by Ellipsis Labs. Ellipsis Labs builds the most efficient on-chain markets. Their orderbook and Prop AMM products have delivered price improvement to hundreds of billions of dollars in retail volume. Now, they are bringing their expertise to build Phoenix, the best on-chain perpetuals platform. Ellipsis Labs is hiring New York-based engineers. If you're an engineer looking to work with a proven team in making DeFi better, go to ellipsislabs.xyz/careers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices