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Woodworking is BULLSHIT!

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A podcast centered around design, creativity, and the search for authentic inspiration in woodworking and beyond, hosted by Paul Jasper, Erik Curtis, and Mary Tsai. Join our Patreon for a VIDEO FEED of the show on YOUTUBE, and the ever lively AFTERSHOW: https://patreon.com/user?u=91688467&utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&utm_content=join_link

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  1. Episode 71 - What YOUR work says about YOU and LIFE (w/ Jordan Coons) from Woodworking is BULLSHIT!, opens in a new tab

    Sep 16, 20261 hr 36 min

    The things we make are not simply objects, but symbols of who WE ARE and WHAT WE OBSERVE in life. This week we sit down with our first ceramicist guest ever, Jordan Koons — potter and educator, to figure out what the things we make are trying to tell us about life and ourselves. We use Jordan’s personal manifesto as a map for the episode: 1) Jordan's double-walled vessels, an ornately carved exterior wrapped around a hidden interior, as a metaphor for what we project externally to the world versus who we are internally. 2) Negative space representing human vulnerability as the price of real human connection, and 3) Why chasing "perfection" in handmade work might be missing the whole point of making it by hand in the first place. We hope this conversation stirs up thoughts and emotions inside all of you and you’ll share your thoughts with us in the comments. To watch the YOUTUBE VIDEO of this episode and the unfiltered AFTERSHOW, subscribe to our Patreon: ⁠⁠ ⁠⁠http://patreon.com/user?u=91688467⁠⁠⁠

  2. Episode 70 - How to MARKET & SELL Your Work, ETHICALLY from Woodworking is BULLSHIT!, opens in a new tab

    Sep 2, 20261 hr 17 min

    FACT -> Marketing is CRITICALLY IMPORTANT to sell the things we make. However, marketing often comes with an “ick factor” for many of us, as we are exposed to HUNDREDS of advertisements PER DAY, many of which are dishonest and misleading, with the products prioritizing convenience and profits over the environment. How can we break this cycle? Enter Dave Dennis, co-found of Ventana Surfboards & Supplies who takes us through his thinking about ETHICAL MARKETING and helps us understand that there is no easy perfect solution here, but we can CERTAINLY DO BETTER over time. He also discusses the problem of Greenwashing, where companies intentionally misrepresent their environmental friendliness as a means to sell product. Join us for a revealing and eye-opening conversation, and let us know if you decide to try the “TELL NO LIES” CHALLENGE?! Ventana Surfboards & Supplies: ⁠https://ventanasurfboards.com⁠ Ventana’s Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/ventanasurfboards⁠ To watch the YOUTUBE VIDEO of this episode and the unfiltered AFTERSHOW, subscribe to our Patreon: ⁠ ⁠⁠http://patreon.com/user?u=91688467⁠⁠

  3. Episode 69 - Making it up as you GROW (w/ Farmer Nick Cutsumpas) from Woodworking is BULLSHIT!, opens in a new tab

    Aug 19, 20261 hr 31 min

    How can we be creative when we don't know what the final goal looks like? This is OFTEN the case when we work in teams on collaborate projects, be it at work or in craft. How do we know if what we've produced is good enough? Erik and our esteemed guest, FARMER NICK (a wonderful landscape architect, environmentalist, farmer, husband, and all around beautiful human) talk about how they had to be creative on demand in their netflix show while not knowing exactly how thing would turn out in the end. I think this situation likely applies to ALL OF US in various situations in our life. Also, Farmer Nick tells us why plants are SO IMPORTANT to our lives and personal well-being as humans, what they teach us about patiences, and what are some of the biggest mistakes we make and how we can easily make improvements. Follow Nick on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/farmernick/ To watch the YOUTUBE VIDEO of this episode and the unfiltered AFTERSHOW, subscribe to our Patreon: ⁠⁠http://patreon.com/user?u=91688467⁠⁠ Gorilla Glue Wood Filler and Wood Glue (less water)mentioned in today's show: http://gorillatough.com/woodworkingisbs

  4. Episode 68 - Trouble GETTING STARTED on something? This episode is for YOU! from Woodworking is BULLSHIT!, opens in a new tab

    Aug 5, 20261 hr 38 min

    We've all been there: Bought the tool, watched the videos, bookmarked the plans. Organized the shop one more time. And somehow the actual PROJECT never happens. This episode is about the INTENTION-BEHAVIOR GAP — the well-documented, deeply human tendency to plan, prep, and research without ACTUALLY DOING THE THING. Is preparation even really about the work? Or is it about avoiding the risk and uncomfortable feelings of finding out the work won't be perfect or we're not good at something in the beginning? We dig into why "getting ready" feels so productive when it's often just a really elaborate form of procrastination. Our RESIDENT Ph.D Psychologist Sherry Pagoto breaks down why intentions so rarely convert into action, and how we can SOLVE THIS PROBLEM with simple realistic steps. Strap in, because it's time to stop TALKING and start DOING To watch the YOUTUBE VIDEO of this episode and the unfiltered AFTERSHOW, subscribe to our Patreon: ⁠http://patreon.com/user?u=91688467⁠ Gorilla Glue Wood Filler and Wood Glue (less water)mentioned in today's show: http://gorillatough.com/woodworkingisbs

  5. Episode 67 - Is ART for ARTIST, or is ART for the AUDIENCE? from Woodworking is BULLSHIT!, opens in a new tab

    Jul 22, 20261 hr 30 min

    Have you been to a concert where the crowd was involved, singing, dancing, screaming along to their favorite songs. You probably left thinking, "THAT WAS SO AWESOME". Have you been to a concert where you weren't quite sure what the artist was doing? You sat there quietly trying to make sense out of what you were witnessing. You might have left confused or you may have left thinking, "geeeez I've never seen anything like that, how interesting!". In both of these cases something different was happening. In the first case, the art was clearly FOR the AUDIENCE, THE AUDIENCE AS PARTICIPANT. In the second case, the artist was exploring an idea they had or chasing something deeply personal and the art was FOR the ARTIST, with THE AUDIENCE AS WITNESS. In this episode we welcome a close personal friend of Paul's, his college roommate and professional Jazz Bass Player (!!), Thomson Kneeland, to help us understand IS ART FOR THE ARTIST, OR IS ART FOR THE AUDIENCE? To read a brilliant essay Thomson wrote about this topic, click the link below to go to his substack: https://open.substack.com/pub/quantafugue2718/p/the-shared-horizon?r=a9gvw&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web To watch the YOUTUBE VIDEO of this episode and theirreverent & somewhat unpredictable AFTERSHOW, subscribe to our Patreon:⁠⁠ http://patreon.com/user?u=91688467 Gorilla Glue Wood Filler and Wood Glue (less water)mentioned in today's show: http://gorillatough.com/woodworkingisbs

  6. Episode 66 - Barstool Confessions #6 - Learning from Life Experiences from Woodworking is BULLSHIT!, opens in a new tab

    Jul 8, 20261 hr 16 min

    What happens when two friends sit down and wrestle withlife’s biggest questions? In this episode we unveil a new segment called 40,000 ft: What is something that has happened to you recently and what did you learn from it in a global sense? (i.e. when you zoom out to 40,000 ft.) Erik shares that people avoid going near his dog Teddybecause they see he's part pitbull, and that gets him thinking about innate bias, and what biases he has with respect to woodworking. Paul shares his experiences of recent travel and how that has changed him to be OPEN to theuniverse, accepting what life has in store with a sense of unexpected joy instead of being anxious trying to control this chaotic world. And of course, things will go off the rails at times. Join us for an honest, unscripted conversation that just might shift how you see the world—and yourself. To watch the YOUTUBE VIDEO of this episode and theirreverent & somewhat unpredictable AFTERSHOW, subscribe to our Patreon:⁠⁠ http://patreon.com/user?u=91688467 Gorilla Glue Wood Filler and Wood Glue (less water)mentioned in today's show: http://gorillatough.com/woodworkingisbs

  7. Episode 65 - Your LIFE is 4000 weeks, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH IT? from Woodworking is BULLSHIT!, opens in a new tab

    Jun 24, 20261 hr 31 min

    INCREDIBLE Sculptor Spencer Schubert drops in to make the case that good taste is exactly what's stopping you from starting. Your early work is going to suck — that's not a warning, that's a promise. Spencer, Paul, and Erik dig into why the creative struggle never actually gets easier, how to build systems that work on the days your willpower doesn't, and whether gatekeeping is protecting craft or killing it. ALSO, just FYI, Your life is about 4,000 weeks long, what will do do with that time??? To watch the YOUTUBE VIDEO of this episode and the irreverent & somewhat unpredictable AFTERSHOW, subscribe to our Patreon:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠http://patreon.com/user?u=91688467 To browse the Gorilla Glue Wood Filler and Wood Glue (less water) mentioned in today's show: http://gorillatough.com/woodworkingisbs Spencer's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/esschubertsculpture/ Spencer's Website: https://www.esschubert.com/

  8. Episode 64 - How your PERSONALITY TYPE affects your CRAFT/ART from Woodworking is BULLSHIT!, opens in a new tab

    Jun 10, 20261 hr 29 min

    What kind of person are you? Emotionally Stable? Neurotic and Exciteable? Open to new ideas? Have you ever taken a personality test before? We all know some elements of our personality but have you had them formally measured and then thought about how those traits might affect what you make, how you make, or how you approach making art in general? Today with the help of TWO Ph.D. psychologists, resident WIBS psychologist Sherry Pagoto, and psychologist/woodworker Brad Appelhans, we all take the BIG 5 PERSONALITY TEST and then interpret the results as it relates to our making and art. You might be surprised to find how much your personality traits define your path in art & craft. Take the Big 5 Personality Test HERE (5 min, no spam): https://www.personalityassessor.com/big-five2/ To watch the YOUTUBE VIDEO of this episode and the irreverent & somewhat unpredictable AFTERSHOW, subscribe to our Patreon:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠http://patreon.com/user?u=91688467 To browse the Gorilla Glue Wood Filler and Wood Glue (less water) mentioned in today's show: http://gorillatough.com/woodworkingisbs

  9. Episode 63 - What is BEAUTY and Where Does It Come From? from Woodworking is BULLSHIT!, opens in a new tab

    May 28, 20261 hr 29 min

    When you say something is BEAUTIFUL, what do you actually mean? Why do you think it's beautiful? Is beauty genetically programmed witihin humans, or is it culturally learned, or Is it a divine gift from god? We take on this fascinating topic with our amazing friend Jeff Hein (an absolutely INCREDIBLE painter and maker), who raised this question in the first place and WHAT A FUN DISCUSSION IT WAS. Jeff has his own podcast called the Undraped Artist and you can listen to it here: https://www.youtube.com/@theundrapedartist Jeff's instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jeff_hein_art/ To watch the YOUTUBE VIDEO of this episode and the irreverent & somewhat unpredictable AFTERSHOW, subscribe to our Patreon:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠http://patreon.com/user?u=91688467 To browse the Gorilla Glue Wood Filler and Wood Glue (less water) mentioned in today's show: http://gorillatough.com/woodworkingisbs

  10. Episode 62 - The Master Series: Wharton Esherick from Woodworking is BULLSHIT!, opens in a new tab

    May 13, 20261 hr 28 min

    In today's episode of the Master Series, we discuss the visionary American artist and furniture designer Wharton Esherick, celebrated as the father of the Studio Furniture Movement. Esherick believed furniture and sculpture were one and the same — that a chair, a table, or a staircase could be as emotionally resonant as any painting or bronze. His most iconic pieces pulse with organic, twisting forms drawn from nature, none more famous than his breathtaking spiral staircase, hand-carved from red oak, which stopped the world at the 1939 New York World's Fair. Did you know he started as a painter and only discovered wood by accident, carving frames for his own canvases? Did you know his entire home and studio on Valley Forge Mountain was itself a 40-year work of art — every door, cabinet, and light pull shaped by his own hands — now a National Historic Landmark and Museum??? Speaking of which, our special guest today is the Executive Director of his museum, Julie Siglin! To watch the YOUTUBE VIDEO of this episode and the irreverent & somewhat unpredictable AFTERSHOW, subscribe to our Patreon:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠http://patreon.com/user?u=91688467 To browse the Gorilla Glue Wood Filler and Wood Glue (less water) mentioned in today's show: http://gorillatough.com/woodworkingisbs

  11. Episode 61 - Elements of Art & Principles of Design from Woodworking is BULLSHIT!, opens in a new tab

    Apr 29, 20261 hr 39 min

    Just as grammar underlies good writing, today we're learning about the hidden grammar behind good visual art: The ELEMENTS OF ART AND PRINCIPLES OF DESIGN. Today, we go BACK TO SCHOOL w/ Art professor Jack Thomas leading us through the basics, while Erik translates them through a real-world maker lens. These funadmentals are TIMELESS and are applicable to almost every form of art. Strap in for a GREAT EPISODE kids, because CLASS IS IN SESSION! To watch the YOUTUBE VIDEO of this episode and the irreverent & somewhat unpredictable AFTERSHOW, subscribe to our Patreon:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠http://patreon.com/user?u=91688467 To browse the Gorilla Glue Wood Filler and Wood Glue (less water) mentioned in today's show: http://gorillatough.com/woodworkingisbs

  12. Episode 60 - Novelty vs. Repetition: Which is better for BUSINESS vs. CONTENTMENT (w/ Richard Findley) from Woodworking is BULLSHIT!, opens in a new tab

    Apr 15, 20261 hr 20 min

    Are you the kind of person who enjoys the predictable routines of life? Or are you someone who feels the excitement of something wholly novel and new? This preference is largely determined by our brain chemistry and risk tolerance. Evolutionarily, a bit of BOTH is likely best as we need to lean into what is dependable and safe, but at the same time opening ourselves up to new things occasionally. But where do Paul, Erik, and Rich fall on this contiuum? Where do you fall on this contiuum? Which is better for business as a professional woodworker like Erik and Rich? Get to know the WONDERFUL woodworker/woodturner that is Richard Findley in this episode and discuss with us this idea of Novelty vs. Repetition, either as a hobbyist or a professional full time woodworker. To watch the YOUTUBE VIDEO of this episode and the irreverent & somewhat unpredictable AFTERSHOW, subscribe to our Patreon:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠http://patreon.com/user?u=91688467 To browse the Gorilla Glue Wood Filler and Wood Glue (less water) mentioned in today's show: http://gorillatough.com/woodworkingisbs For more information on Rich, including his signature skew that Paul bought and mentioned in today's show: https://turnersworkshop.co.uk/ https://www.instagram.com/richard_findley/

  13. Episode 59 - The ADHD Brain: Friend AND Foe from Woodworking is BULLSHIT!, opens in a new tab

    Apr 1, 20261 hr 36 min

    What do you think of when you hear ADHD ? Do you think you might have it or know someone who does? We all took a an ADHD screener test before this show and announce the scores live on air! Regardless of the answer, the learnings from this episode on the BRAIN APPLY TO ALL OF US, whether you're neurotypical or neurodivergent. Join us for an amazing episode into brain structure and function as it relates to art/craft, guided by our resident Ph.D. psychologist, Sherry Pagoto. To watch the YOUTUBE VIDEO of this episode and the irreverent & somewhat unpredictable AFTERSHOW, subscribe to our Patreon:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠http://patreon.com/user?u=91688467 Take the ADHD Screener: The test PDF: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HWEHVtWa0ud4k9ak5JuAPd4rNQ9n1XeY/view?usp=drive_link The scoring notes: https://novopsych.com/assessments/diagnosis/adult-adhd-self-report-scale-asrs/ (READ the tab ASRS Scoring & Interpretation - There are separate scores for sections A, B and then TOTAL)

  14. Episode 58 - Barstool Confessions #5 - A Season of Change from Woodworking is BULLSHIT!, opens in a new tab

    Mar 18, 20261 hr 34 min

    What happens when two friends sit down and wrestle with life’s biggest questions? In this episode: Erik asks what VALUE does social media actually bring us? Paul grapples with INSPIRATION during the LONG winter (seasonal affective disorder anyone?). We also discuss food science and bacteria, as well as some strategies for staying in a positive head space in a chaotic world. Join us for an honest, unscripted conversation that just might shift how you see the world—and yourself. To watch the YOUTUBE VIDEO of this episode and the irreverent & somewhat unpredictable AFTERSHOW, subscribe to our Patreon:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (http://patreon.com/user?u=91688467) ⁠⁠⁠http://patreon.com/user?u=91688467

  15. Episode 57 - CUTTING THROUGH THE BULLSHIT (w/ Vic Tesolin) from Woodworking is BULLSHIT!, opens in a new tab

    Mar 4, 20261 hr 27 min

    Many of us have been told things about woodworking – or any craft – that simply aren’t true. Why are so many myths perpetuated across so many fields? What does it say about us as humans, that we believe these things and repeat them? Today, with the help of our most experienced, authentic, and amazing friend and colleague, Vic Tesolin, we dig deep into some of the biggest myths in our field, why people believe them, and how we can emerge with a healthy sense of skepticism. To watch the YOUTUBE VIDEO of this episode and the irreverent & somewhat unpredictable AFTERSHOW, subscribe to our Patreon:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠( ⁠http://patreon.com/user?u=91688467)⁠ Vic is writing a new book all about this topic! Keep an eye out on his website https://victesolinwoodworks.com/ and his instagram https://www.instagram.com/vic_tesolin_woodworks/

  16. Episode 56 - The Art War: Is "community" a lie? (w/ Jet Tamburri) from Woodworking is BULLSHIT!, opens in a new tab

    Feb 18, 20261 hr 27 min

    We’re told the art world is a supportive community, but behind the scenes, is it really? This episode strips away everything to get at the question of openness vs territorialism and defensiveness in the arts, and we have both our perennial favorite Keith Johnson, who makes a living sharing his knowledge, and his brother-in-law, Jet Tamburri, an exceptionally talented and experienced tattoo artist who came up through the school of hard knocks to own his own successful tattoo shop. WHAT. AN. EPIOSDE. To watch the YOUTUBE VIDEO of this episode and the irreverent & somewhat unpredictable AFTERSHOW, subscribe to our Patreon:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠(http://patreon.com/user?u=91688467) JET's fantastic work: https://www.triadtattoos.com/ https://www.instagram.com/triadtattoos/

  17. Episode 55 - Making, FAILING, and Becoming (w/ Jimmy Diresta & Bob Clagett) from Woodworking is BULLSHIT!, opens in a new tab

    Feb 3, 20261 hr 24 min

    Why do we fear FAILURE when it is the primary way we LEARN and IMPROVE? What is failure, and how do YOU define failure for yourself? Is it when something doesn't work out according to plan or is it when you give up all together? What are some of your biggest failures, and did they become learning moments? How is our self-confidence and ego wrapped up in all of this? Does failure make us feel ashamed and embarrased because we have a certain inflated idea of who we are? Do we emerge from failure more confident, emboldened, and more experienced? We tackle this VERY difficult but illuminating topics with the help of two of the finest, most thoughtful, and most experienced makers in our field, Jimmy Diresta and Bob Clagett. This is an episode you won't want to miss. To watch the YOUTUBE VIDEO of this episode and the irreverent & somewhat unpredictable AFTERSHOW, subscribe to our Patreon:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠(http://patreon.com/user?u=91688467)

  18. Episode 54 - Do you live in a HOUSE or a HOME?- Building a Legacy or Just Breaking Your Back? from Woodworking is BULLSHIT!, opens in a new tab

    Jan 21, 20261 hr 42 min

    What is a house to you? An investement? A place that offers shelter to keep your belongings while you figure out where to move next? or is it something MORE? A symbol of family, a collection of rooms and objects where entire lives of family members have been lived, objects that have been with us through some of the best time and also our worst. Today we take on the question of WHAT IS A HOME REALLY, and how does that impact how we fix it and work to improve the home. Do we do it ourselves or do we hire out the work? What about the quality of materials we use for it? To watch the YOUTUBE VIDEO of this episode and the irreverent & somewhat unpredictable AFTERSHOW, subscribe to our Patreon:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠(http://patreon.com/user?u=91688467)

  19. Episode 53 - Artistic Monogamy is Killing Your Soul (w/ Jeff Hein) from Woodworking is BULLSHIT!, opens in a new tab

    Jan 7, 20261 hr 49 min

    Why do so many of us LIMIT what we’re capable of ? How many of these limitations are self-imposed vs. the result of economic pressure to make a living? Do we get more hesitant to explore as we get older? We often describe ourselves as one thing; I’m a woodworker, I’m a painter, I’m metal worker, etc. However back in the renaissance, it was COOL to know poetry, have a deep understanding of math and science, to paint, draw, sculp, act, to dive into philosophy, what we now refer to today a “Renaissance Man or Woman". In today’s episode, we have on a true renaissance man Jeff Hein, who you may know as an incredibly skilled and famous portrait artist painter, however it goes much deeper than that. Jeff also pursues textiles and costume design, woodworking, metal working, engraving, leather working, and leads us through a fascinating discussion on this topic of why we pigeonhole ourselves vs. branching out and exploring. Jeff has his own amazing podcast here (The Undraped Artist): https://www.youtube.com/@theundrapedartist Jeff’s Instagram here: https://www.instagram.com/jeff_hein_art To watch the YOUTUBE VIDEO of this episode and the irreverent & somewhat unpredictable AFTERSHOW, subscribe to our Patreon:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠(http://patreon.com/user?u=91688467)

  20. Episode 52 - Evergreen: The Trees That Shaped America (w/ Dr. Trent Preszler) from Woodworking is BULLSHIT!, opens in a new tab

    Dec 25, 20251 hr 11 min

    Today we'll discuss the INCREDIBLE story that Evergreens have played throughout human history! We have a very special episode with Scientist, Author, and Professor, Dr. Trent Preszler, who takes us through the fascinating story of the Evergreen tree, published in his new book “Evergreen”. From its role in oxygenating Earth's early atmosphere during the Devonian period , to contributing to the fall of the Roman Empire, to becoming a beloved symbol of holiday tradition, you will be stunned by how vitally important Evergreen trees have been in almost every chapter of human histpory. BUY THE BOOK HERE: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1643756702?ref_=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cso_cp_apan_dp_0H06W9HBFCZZNMMCDVJJ_2&bestFormat=true To watch the YOUTUBE VIDEO of this episode and the irreverent & somewhat unpredictable AFTERSHOW, subscribe to our Patreon:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (http://patreon.com/user?u=91688467)

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