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Jon Moses lives five minutes from the River Monnow. He had lived beside it for twenty years and barely knew it, because almost none of it could legally be reached. In the first lockdown he pretended for a day that he lived in Scotland, and walked up it anyway. That walk is the whole argument of this episode. Jon is co-director of the Right to Roam campaign and co-editor of Wild Service: Why Nature Needs You, and he joins Chloe and Tom to explain what the campaign is actually asking for: parity with Scotland, where a right of responsible access to land and water has been the default since 2003, rather than the roughly 8% of England that the Countryside and Rights of Way Act opened up for walking and climbing only. Tom comes at it as the concerned landowner. Someone left a bag of poo in a bush on the project. Gates have been left open with livestock behind them. There are 100 kilogram pigs on the land that have chased people and ripped trousers, and a horse who has now tried to eat one of the pigs. So the conversation gets into the practical questions rather than the slogans: what happens to liability, how conservation land gets exempted, whether someone could camp next to the cabins, and what you do about the ten per cent of people who will never apply common sense. Chloe brings the other side. Living in the Forest of Dean they could walk for three hours from the back door without crossing a road. From the Grange there is not a single usable footpath. And if the benefits to wellbeing are as large as the evidence suggests, is it fair to deny them to the many because of the few? The bit that stays with you is Jon's shift from access for recreation to access for guardianship. On the River Wye, which for access purposes already works much like Scotland, it was local people who knew the river well who raised the alarm on algal blooms long before the regulators did. You look after what you know. You cannot know what you are not allowed to see. After the interview, Chloe and Tom cover the four benefits they never got to, Rose's idea for a Right to Roam licence, and the full story of Lady the horse, two pigs, and a pair of Crocs. Chapters: [00:06] Welcome to episode 57, and a first for Tom [02:39] Project update: 20 jars of pickled cucumbers and a market garden in its second summer [04:37] Community Day, Saturday 12 September, spaces still available [06:03] Jon Moses joins: Wild Service, the Monnow Valley and a lockdown trespass [11:11] What the campaign is actually asking for: parity with Scotland [12:44] Why Scotland got there and England and Wales did not: devolution, the Lords and the Clearances [17:53] The concerned landowner: poo in a bag, open gates and 100 kilogram pigs [19:40] How Scotland handles liability, livestock and exempting conservation land [22:29] Does everyone have common sense? Why the Wilder Wander is still not marketed [26:31] Chloe: no usable footpath from our land, and the ethical question [32:17] Could someone camp next to our cabins? Privacy, curtilage and commercial use [36:47] A feudal culture: shouting rights, DofE students and the meeting point on the land [41:31] What the campaign has achieved, and access for guardianship on the River Wye [44:08] How to support Right to Roam, and why this year matters [45:13] Chloe and Tom: the four benefits we never got to [49:47] The horse and pig story [54:00] Wrapping up About the guest Jon Moses is co-director of the Right to Roam campaign, which is calling for a Right to Roam Act for England and Wales. He is a former teacher and historian, with a PhD from London, and looks at land access through the lens of land history. He co-edited Wild Service: Why Nature Needs You (Bloomsbury, 2024) with Nick Hayes, and writes the Substack The Fields Was Our Church. He lives in the Monnow Valley on the Welsh borders, and has been working alongside Chloe and Tom through the Welsh Rewilding Alliance over the past year. Right to Roam: https://www.righttoroam.org.uk/ Jon's Substack: https://jonmoses.substack.com/ Facts and figures mentioned: The Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000 created access land over mountain, moor, heath and down, covering roughly 8% of England, for walking and climbing only. No swimming, cycling or camping, with the exception of Dartmoor The Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003 established a default right of responsible access to land and water, with exceptions for privacy, growing crops and land management Scottish Land and Estates, the main landowner body in Scotland, opposed the Act at the time and now broadly regard it as a success A Right to Roam freedom of information request found the government was spending £2,000 on promoting the Countryside Code. After pressure that rose to around £150,000 Only the Green Party currently has the full Scottish model as policy. Most progressive parties have accepted access to water as a next step The River Wye is one of very few rivers in England and Wales with statutory rights of navigation, so there is a public right to swim and paddle it The Grange Project market garden is around 2,000 square metres and a little over a year old. This summer produced roughly 20 jars of pickled cucumbers, 20 of preserves and 10 of jam, plus a freezer full Four slow worms seen on the project this year, up from none a year ago, plus grass snake sheds Lady is a 24 year old ex eventer, now on the project as a grazing herbivore. The pigs are unconvinced Resources and links mentioned: Right to Roam campaign: https://www.righttoroam.org.uk/ Support the campaign (donate, join a local group): https://www.righttoroam.org.uk/takeaction Right to Roam on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/right.2roam Right to Roam on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/righttoroam.bsky.social Wild Service: Why Nature Needs You, edited by Nick Hayes and Jon Moses: https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/wild-service-9781526673299/ Jon Moses on Substack, The Fields Was Our Church: https://jonmoses.substack.com/ Welsh Rewilding Alliance / Cynghrair Ailwylltio Cymru: https://www.rewildingalliance.cymru/ Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/37/contents Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2003/2/contents Scottish Outdoor Access Code: https://www.outdooraccess-scotland.scot/ The Countryside Code (England and Wales): https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-countryside-code Duke of Edinburgh's Award: https://www.dofe.org/ Grange Project September Community Day, Saturday 12 September: https://grangeproject.co.uk/events/september-community-day Stay at the Grange Project: https://grangeproject.co.uk/stay Related Wilder Podcast episodes: Ep. 040: Rivers in Crisis with James Wallace, on the state of the Wye and who is fighting for it: https://grangeproject.co.uk/podcast/rivers-in-crisis-a-conversation-with-james-wallace Ep. 045: Community Land Stewardship with Chris Blake, on who land is for: https://grangeproject.co.uk/podcast/community-land-stewardship-with-chris-blake Ep. 017: (re)Wild the Boar with Chantal Lyons, for the Forest of Dean boar that came up in this one: https://grangeproject.co.uk/podcast/re-wild-the-boar-with-chantal-lyons Come and see it for yourself: Our next Community Day is Saturday 12 September, 9:30am to 4pm. Scything, seed distribution, apple and blackberry harvesting, a reset of the market garden, path upgrades and some foraging know-how, with a tour for anyone new to the project. It is free, there are still a few spaces, and there will be pickled...

A mountain has been burning 13 miles from the Grange Project for two weeks. Wales has just gone into drought after receiving 8% of its average July rainfall, the driest July in 190 years. Just under 22,000 hectares have burnt across the UK so far this year, more than the whole of 2022, with most of the summer still to come. This is a special episode, recorded quickly, to try to understand what is actually happening. Tom is joined by James Hitchcock, Rewilding Advocacy and Policy Lead for Rewilding Britain in Wales, and Alex Crawley, co-director of Grazing Management and a Nuffield scholar who studied wildfire in France and California. Both arrive from different starting points and both refuse the easy answer. Because there is an easy answer doing the rounds, in two versions. Restock the uplands and graze down the fuel load. Or rewild, rewet, and the landscape stops burning. Neither survives contact with the detail. What the conversation gets to instead is more useful: not all fuel loads are equal, spring fires and summer fires are different problems, rewilding sites are genuinely more vulnerable during their transition years, and almost every wildfire in Britain starts with a person. Chloe joins Tom afterwards to pick over what the interview left out, including the effect on people, the standing grass on their own land, and whether "wildfire" is even the right word. Chapters [00:00] Welcome to a special episode, and why the gap since the last one [03:04] Setting the scene: a mountain on fire 13 miles away, and what 220 hectares means in Grange Projects [05:20] Why are we seeing more wildfires now, or are we? [05:22] Alex on whiplash weather, soil moisture and winter vegetation build-up [06:20] James on fire danger modelling, the first UK mega fire, and degraded habitats [11:29] What the Met Office projects for 2050, and why it may already be out of date [12:58] Fire is not a natural process in Britain [15:34] Shifting baselines, and the day Tom walked away from his flail mower [16:47] Arson, barbecues and the culture that needs to change [18:15] Triggers versus conditions: who is getting the blame [18:49] Alex on wildfire being used to fit ideological narratives [20:07] James on why it is not either/or, and where beavers come in [25:17] What Alex learned in California: goats, sagebrush and ladder fuels [28:51] The vulnerable years: firebreaks as insurance for a rewilding site [32:31] Mapping wet firebreaks and joining them up [34:50] Who insures a nature asset that burns down? [37:23] What France tells us about reactive spending [39:17] Final thoughts from James 40:18 Final thoughts from Alex [41:02] Tom and Chloe reflect on the interview [52:00] Political courage, and a thank you to Catherine Fookes MP [53:09] Is this the moment the climate crisis becomes real to people? About the guests James Hitchcock is the Rewilding Advocacy and Policy Lead for Rewilding Britain in Wales, and the first full-time person the organisation has had working in the country. He has over 20 years in the environment sector, from site management through to senior leadership, and was previously CEO of Radnorshire Wildlife Trust, where he led the rewilding of Gilfach in the Marteg Valley. Rewilding Britain: rewildingbritain.org.uk Alex Crawley is co-director of Grazing Management Limited alongside Emily Crawley. The business delivers contract conservation grazing across around 25 sites, restoring habitats on behalf of partners including Natural Resources Wales, the Wye Valley National Landscape and Severn Trent. Alex is a Nuffield scholar and studied wildfire management in France and California. Grazing Management: grazingmanagement.co.uk Both James and Alex have been guests on the Wilder Podcast before. Links to their previous episodes are below. Facts and figures mentioned Wales received 8% of its average July rainfall in July 2026, the driest July in 190 years. Drought was declared across the whole of Wales on 30 July, following England The Blaenavon fire covered around 220 hectares of bracken and gorse at its peak, roughly seven times the size of the Grange Project. It had been burning since 19 July Just under 22,000 hectares have burnt across the UK so far in 2026, more than the total for the whole of 2022 Around 50,000 hectares burnt across the UK in 2025 Wales recorded roughly 3,450 grass fire incidents last year, of which around two and a half thousand were started deliberately There has been approximately one wildfire in the UK officially recorded as started by lightning Wales has around 50 beavers. Scotland has well over 1,500 In California, targeted grazing runs at roughly 250 goats on one acre for one day, at around £750 The Met Office projects hotter summers with less rainfall by 2050, with high fire risk days doubling against the late 20th century average Resources and links mentioned Rewilding Britain: https://www.rewildingbritain.org.uk/ How rewilding reduces wildfire risk (Rewilding Britain): https://www.rewildingbritain.org.uk/why-rewild/benefits-of-rewilding/how-rewilding-reduces-wildfire-risk Rewilding Britain policy briefings and responses: https://www.rewildingbritain.org.uk/about-us/what-we-say/policy Grazing Management: https://grazingmanagement.co.uk/ Welsh Rewilding Alliance / Cynghrair Ailwylltio Cymru: https://www.rewildingalliance.cymru/ Wild Cymru: https://www.wild.cymru/ Wild Cymru wildfire report: Protecting Wildlife from Wildfires and Illegal Grassland Burns: https://www.wild.cymru/wild-cymrus-wildfire-report/ Wildfire Wise, the Wales Wildfire Board campaign: https://www.mawwfire.gov.uk/eng/campaigns-and-consultations/wildfirewise Nuffield Farming Scholarships Trust: https://www.nuffieldscholar.org/ Alex Crawley's Nuffield scholar page: https://www.nuffieldscholar.org/scholars/2025/alex-crawley The National Emergency Briefing: https://www.nebriefing.org/ The National Emergency Briefing open letter: https://www.nebriefing.org/open-letter-keir Palisades Fire, California, January 2025 (CAL FIRE): https://www.fire.ca.gov/incidents/2025/1/7/palisades-fire Wildfire risks to UK landscapes (POST briefing, UK Parliament): https://post.parliament.uk/research-briefings/post-pn-0717/ Related Wilder Podcast episodes Ep. 047: Monmouth Floods , the previous special episode on a live climate event Ep. 026: What have the Wildlife Trusts ever done for us? with James Hitchcock Ep. 036: "It's the how, not the cow" with Grazing Management. 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Helen Meech is Executive Director of the Climate Coalition, the UK's largest group of organisations dedicated to action on people, climate and nature. Over 130 member organisations, from the National Trust to Oxfam to Save the Children, plus a network of around 3,500 community organisers across the UK. And yet most people have never heard of them. As Helen explains, that's deliberate. We talk about Great Big Green Week, the Coalition's flagship campaign, running this year from 6 to 14 June. It has more than doubled in size every year for three years: 250,000 people, then 600,000, then 1.2 million last year, with around 2 million expected this year. The stat that matters most: over a third of attendees had never engaged with climate or nature before. They came because someone they knew organised something, or because it was free to do with the kids on a Saturday. We also dig into where power actually sits. Helen's framing, "creating the space for politics to move into," challenges the idea that change is something politicians do to us. And we compare notes on the People's Emergency Briefing, which we recently screened at the Grange Hub, and the tension every communicator in this space wrestles with: realism versus hope. The post-interview chat gets into Tom's view that the era of being polite about the emergency is over, Chloe's case for hope grounded in community rather than technology, and why we still don't have a Help for Heroes equivalent for the climate movement. About the guest Helen Meech is Executive Director of the Climate Coalition. She has spent 25 years in environmental campaigning and movement-building, including roles at the National Trust and the RSPB, where she was Head of Movement Building and led the development of the People's Plan for Nature. Her work is built on a single belief: people are powerful, especially when they come together. The Climate Coalition: theclimatecoalition.org Great Big Green Week: greatbiggreenweek.com Chapters 00:00 - Welcome and intros 01:30 - Grange update: screening the People's Emergency Briefing at the Hub 04:30 - Watching hard truths in community, and why that changes the experience 06:55 - Tom's case: the days of being polite about the emergency are over 07:30 - Wilder Connections summer programme: co-design with young people 10:57 - Who is the Climate Coalition? 14:59 - Why most people haven't heard of the Climate Coalition (on purpose) 17:24 - "Creating the space for politics to move into" 20:05 - Everyone has power: protest, community organising, media, culture 22:18 - Great Big Green Week: nightclubs, litter picks, fetes and school assemblies 23:59 - The infrastructure behind 6,000 local events 29:54 - Flooded pitches: why grassroots sport is organising 30:30 - The unexpected challenge: keeping the big NGOs on board 32:43 - Greenwashing and a brand with a life of its own 34:15 - The Coalition's three policy asks 36:50 - The five million target, and matching Children in Need for awareness 39:43 - Helen's reaction to the People's Emergency Briefing 42:28 - Rebecca Solnit and hope as an action 44:35 - How to get involved in Great Big Green Week 46:03 - Tom and Chloe debrief: community action vs direct action 48:27 - The 3.5% rule, and whether the research still holds 50:45 - The school drop-off apology problem: why we need a safe movement to belong to 53:40 - Hope vs fear: did the briefing get the balance right? Key takeaways Over a third of Great Big Green Week attendees have never engaged with climate or nature before. They come because the event is organised by someone they know, connected to a community they're already part of, or simply free to do with the kids. Over 80% of those newcomers wanted to do more afterwards. Great Big Green Week has more than doubled in size every year for three years, and reached a media audience of over 60 million last year. Around 11% of the UK population recognises it when prompted, on a par with campaigns that have run for decades. Helen's core argument about power: if we say politicians are the only ones with power, we're handing ours to them. The Coalition's job is to make the public mandate visible so politicians have space to move into. The Coalition's three policy asks: climate finance flowing where it's most needed, fairness at the heart of climate action (bills, jobs, just transition), and the urgent protection and restoration of nature. Fear needs to be combined with agency. Helen cites the Branding Biodiversity report: hard-hitting information without a path to action paralyses people. Twenty-five years into her career, the People's Emergency Briefing still made her cry. Her response was to write a to-do list. Hope is an action, not a mood. Rebecca Solnit's framing: pessimists and optimists both excuse themselves from doing anything. Resources and links mentioned Organisations and campaigns The Climate Coalition: theclimatecoalition.org Great Big Green Week (6-14 June 2026): greatbiggreenweek.com National Emergency Briefing / People's Emergency Briefing, including the screening map and how to host one: nebriefing.org Wilder Connections, Chloe's charity growing a movement for nature connection in young people: wilderconnections.charity Climate Psychology Alliance (facilitation training Chloe mentioned): climatepsychologyalliance.org More in Common (audience segmentation partner): moreincommon.org.uk Bristol Stepping Sisters National Trust, RSPB, Oxfam, Save the Children, Co-op (Coalition members referenced) Ideas and references Rebecca Solnit, Hope in the Dark Joanna Macy, Active Hope: activehope.info Branding Biodiversity report (Futerra): fear combined with agency The 3.5% rule (Erica Chenoweth's research on nonviolent resistance) The People's Plan for Nature: peoplesplanfornature.org Come and stay with us If this conversation has you craving time somewhere slower, our off-grid cabins sit in a quiet corner of Monmouthshire surrounded by 80 acres of recovering nature. 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Episode summary We see Pete Cairns as rewilding royalty. Thirty years in the conservation conversation, co-founder and former CEO of SCOTLAND: The Big Picture, and now host of the new podcast At the Edge. In this episode Tom and Chloe sit down with Pete to dig into the one thing every species reintroduction in the UK has in common, and it is not the species. Wildcats, sea eagles, red kites, beavers, lynx. The practical side of bringing animals back is largely solved. What is not solved is the human side. The consultation, the fear, the bureaucracy, the politics, and the deep emotional and economic stakes for the rural communities living on the front line. We talk about the 11 million domestic cats in the UK and the 100 million wild animals they kill each year. The mysterious lynx release in the Cairngorms in January 2025. Whether "beaver bombers" should be celebrated or condemned. And what Pete would do if he had a magic wand to fix the system. The post-interview chat between Tom and Chloe gets properly unpacked on the moral case for reintroductions, the sheep farmer's perspective, and whether logic or culture should lead. About the guest Pete Cairns has spent thirty years working on rewilding communications and engagement, with a particular focus on the human-wildlife fault line. He co-founded SCOTLAND: The Big Picture and served as its CEO until 2025. He now works independently and hosts the podcast At the Edge , a deep dive into our relationship with wild nature and each other. Find Pete on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/petercairnsphoto Listen to At the Edge : attheedge.org.uk Chapters 00:00 - Welcome and what is the Wilder Podcast 01:55 - Project update: the community day 04:22 - Thanks to Katya and Hannah in the market garden 05:09 - Pigs escaping again 06:38 - Why we're talking to Pete 07:10 - Pete's introduction and 30 years in the rewilding conversation 10:07 - What is a wildcat, and how did Scotland nearly lose them 12:22 - Why the wildcat decline went unnoticed for so long 15:00 - The elephant in the room: 11 million domestic cats and 100 million wild animals 18:05 - Cats are hardwired, not killing for fun 22:02 - The principles of species reintroduction, from sea eagles to today 24:16 - Beavers, wolves and the feeling that reintroductions are "done to" rural communities 26:00 - Lynx to Scotland vs The Missing Lynx Project: two regulatory bodies, two processes 28:35 - Selling the benefits, hearing the concerns, and the sheep predation reality 31:30 - "Just pay the farmer" is a dangerous narrative 32:20 - What does success even look like 35:14 - The shortage of skilled navigators in conservation 35:54 - The illegal lynx release in the Cairngorms, January 2025 38:15 - Beaver bombers and the guerrilla rewilding question 40:16 - If Pete could redesign the system, what would it look like 43:04 - What one listener can actually do: voice, vote, money 45:04 - Is wildcat reintroduction a success 48:07 - Pete's sign-off and where to find At the Edge 48:42 - Tom and Chloe debrief: cats, sheep farmers, and the moral argument 59:24 - The ripple effect of wild landscapes on culture Key takeaways Species reintroduction is no longer a practical problem. The science and the techniques exist. The challenge now is social, cultural and political: how do we live alongside species we have not shared the landscape with for generations. The UK is one of the only countries in Europe with no large carnivores, and one of the only countries anywhere. The question is not whether it is ecologically possible. It is whether we will. The "just pay the farmer" line misses the point. Farmers are motivated by financial considerations, but also by tradition, family history, animal welfare and a sense of place. None of those things have a price tag. Lynx to Scotland is the most comprehensive consultation a reintroduction has ever had in this country. Whether it ultimately leads to a release or not, the process itself has reset the standard. The illegal lynx release in the Cairngorms in January 2025 was, in Pete's words, "plain stupid". But it advanced the conversation. There is a sweet spot somewhere between an illicit release and a process that takes 15 years. Mediating these conversations is a specialist skill, and there is a real shortage of people who can do it well. Most conservation organisations cannot mediate their own debates because they wear a badge. Domestic cats kill an estimated 100 million wild animals in the UK every year. Not a judgement on cat ownership, but a call for informed choice. Resources and links mentioned Organisations SCOTLAND: The Big Picture: scotlandbigpicture.com Royal Zoological Society of Scotland (RZSS): rzss.org.uk Saving Wildcats project: savingwildcats.co.uk Highland Wildlife Park: highlandwildlifepark.org.uk Lynx to Scotland: lynxtoscotland.org Trees for Life: treesforlife.org.uk The Lifescape Project: lifescapeproject.org NatureScot: nature.scot Natural England: gov.uk/government/organisations/natural-england RSPB: rspb.org.uk Buglife: buglife.org.uk Rewilding Britain: rewildingbritain.org.uk Referenced in the episode Pete's new podcast, At the Edge: attheedge.org.uk The Scottish Code for Conservation Translocations: nature.scot/professional-advice/safeguarding-protected-areas-and-species/translocation Iberian Lynx programme (the model Saving Wildcats is based on) Come and stay with us Our off-grid cabins are open and our guests this weekend told us the same thing many listeners do when they arrive: the photos do not do it justice. 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The invisible forces shaping what you eat, why they stay hidden, and what it actually takes to change them. Sue Pritchard is CEO of the Food, Farming and Countryside Commission (FFCC) and a farmer just down the road from us in Monmouthshire. In this episode she lays out exactly how the modern food system works, who benefits, who pays the price, and why the polite assumption that "people just want cheap food" is one of the most damaging myths in British public life. We go into the ABCD commodity giants most people have never heard of, the three forces reshaping our plates (commodified, consolidated, financialised), the citizens' assemblies that proved the political class has been misreading the public for decades, and why Sue thinks it might finally be time to bring back the word shame. This was one of those conversations where a missing piece of the puzzle dropped into place. Not cheery in places, but clarifying and energising. In this episode: What we actually mean by "the food system" and why the definition matters The ABCD companies: the four private firms (plus one Chinese state company) that control over 80% of global commodity trade Why Cargill's profits jumped 27% while the rest of us absorbed food price spikes Commodified, consolidated, financialised: the three words that explain how we got here Who's really losing: farmers on below real-living-wage incomes, citizens paying twice (at the till and through their taxes), and our public health The assumptions keeping the system stuck: "people only want cheap food", "nobody wants a nanny state", "this is a middle-class concern" What happened when FFCC actually asked people what they want from food (spoiler: the response rate was five times the norm) The role of anger, and why Rowan Williams called it the "appropriate emotional response" Rutger Bregman, shame, and whether it is time to make certain jobs socially unacceptable again Finding your lane: why we do not all have to do everything everywhere all at once The "What Works Here?" inquiries and the stories of hope already on the ground Approximate timestamps: 00:00 - Welcome & Introduction 05:00 - Farm Start with Rachel Hammond (starts next month, places still available) 06:00 - Community Day, 16 May, plus the screening of the People's Emergency Briefing 08:20 - Introducing Sue Pritchard 09:30 - What the FFCC is and why it was set up after Brexit 12:30 - What we actually mean by "the food system" 18:30 - The winners: ABCD companies, Cargill, the Amazon, and chicken sheds in the Wye Valley 24:00 - The losers: farmers, citizens, public health 26:20 - The assumptions that keep the system stuck 28:45 - Sue "spits the dummy" and launches the citizens' assemblies 36:30 - Anger, Rowan Williams, and what to do with it 42:45 - Bregman, shame, and raising the social cost of harm 44:30 - Working inside the system: the conversations that actually move people 49:20 - Where hope already lives: the "What Works Here?" inquiries 54:30 - Tom and Chloe unpack it: invisible winners, shame, food security, and the search for brave leadership Sue's best lines "Perhaps anger is the appropriate emotional response to the degree of injustice that we are finally seeing." "How do we tell the stories of the future that is already coming to life all around us? It's just not evenly distributed and it's not visible enough." "Don't do bad things and don't be a dick. Those would be my missions for government." Links and resources mentioned in this episode Sue Pritchard and FFCC Food, Farming and Countryside Commission: https://ffcc.co.uk The Food Conversation: https://thefoodconversation.uk FFCC's overview of The Food Conversation and Citizen Mandate: https://ffcc.co.uk/so-what-do-we-really-want-from-food People and works referenced Henry Dimbleby's National Food Strategy: https://www.nationalfoodstrategy.org Rutger Bregman's 2025 BBC Reith Lectures, Moral Revolution : https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00729d9 Rutger Bregman, Moral Ambition : https://www.moralambition.org Nate Hagens, The Great Simplification : https://www.thegreatsimplification.com Hodmedod's (Josiah Meldrum): https://hodmedods.co.uk Rowan Williams, former Archbishop of Canterbury and former Bishop of Monmouth Things growing at the Grange right now The Grange Project: https://grangeproject.co.uk Wilder Podcast (Episode 52 is the full Grange update): https://grangeproject.co.uk/podcast/three-years-in-the-honest-truth-about-rewilding-80-acres Events, including Community Day on 16 May with the People's Emergency Briefing screening: https://grangeproject.co.uk/events Farm Start with Rachel Hammond and other courses: https://grangeproject.co.uk/events/farmstart-a-six-day-hands-on-course-for-people-ready-to-earn-from-growing-food-with-rachel-hammond Wales Seed Hub (Hwb Hadau Cymru): https://www.seedhub.wales Real Seeds: https://realseeds.co.uk The National Emergency Briefing / People's Emergency Briefing National Emergency Briefing: https://www.nebriefing.org Find a local screening: https://www.nebriefing.org/screening-map If this episode moved you The one thing that genuinely helps us is a rating and review wherever you listen. It nudges the podcast up the rankings and puts it in front of people who might benefit from it too. If you want to come and experience any of this in person, the Community Day on 16 May is the easiest way in. Walk the land, get your hands in the soil, share food, watch the People's Emergency Briefing with people who are paying attention. All links above. Until the next one. Tom and Chloe

No guest this week. Just Tom and Chloe with a drink, a lot to catch up on, and roughly an hour to get through it all. It's been 18 months since the last proper project update and quite a lot has happened. 4,000 trees planted. A tiny forest that nearly died twice and is now over six feet tall. A market garden. A distillery in the barn. A charity. Four schools through the gate in one week. And an otter, which felt significant. This is the third update episode - episode 9 was the start, episode 29 was one year in. This one's the most honest of the three. What We Cover Restoring More Nature The trees, the dragon's nests, and what happens when you prepare the ground properly Why the tiny forest survived a drought, deer, and voles - and is now extraordinary The wood meadow: a rare habitat, hand-scythed by the community, and why it matters The pond that failed, then gave us house martins, a kestrel, and an otter The pig situation (it got complicated) The cow debate: October, says Chloe. Tom is less sure Breeding birds: double the species recorded between 2024 and 2025 Naturfa Pathway: one of four sites selected across Wales by the Welsh Government Producing More Food From silage grassland to 50-100+ varieties of fruit and veg - and why that matters for food security The cathedral polytunnel, the duck pond, the new orchard, and chickens planned for under the trees Courses launching this summer: market gardening, agroforestry, mushroom growing, seed saving and more What it actually means when the food you grew feeds the people who came to help grow it Contributing to the Local Economy From two tractor drivers twenty days a year to six people working on site Wilder Spirits: pre-orders open 2 April. The first spirit distilled on a rewilding site in Wales, in a paper bottle Platform Nature: 20 founding partners from Wildlife Trusts to a koala sanctuary in Australia The Grange Hub, Wilder Away Days, and why Tom talks about money on a nature podcast Revenue transparency: what the first six months actually generated Connecting More People to Wilder Nature Wilder Connections charity: Chloe's co-design phase with schools across Monmouthshire What happened when a group of teenagers asked if they could hug a tree Monthly open days: selling out a month in advance Hopes for the rest of 2026 - and why Tom wants everyone to slow down a little Timestamps 00:00 - Tom's opening confession 01:31 - What we said on episode 29, and how much has changed 05:44 - The four pillars explained 07:04 - 28,000 listeners, 125 countries, and someone in Cape Town saving for their own rewilding site 07:53 - PILLAR 1: Restoring More Nature 08:12 - 4,000+ trees, dragon's nests, and the saplings finally breaking through 10:43 - Tiny Forest: 98% survival, over six feet tall, future outdoor classroom 13:59 - Hedgerows: planted, lost to drought, replanted 15:36 - Wood Meadow: what it is, why it's rare, and a lot of hand-scything 18:44 - Deer: why culling became unavoidable, and the experiment with over-planting 22:24 - The pond that collapsed - and then gave us house martins, a kestrel and an otter 26:39 - Voles everywhere, and what doubling bird species in one year actually means 27:13 - Pigs: what went wrong, what's coming next, and the ecological case for them 31:21 - The cow debate 33:54 - Welsh Rewilding Alliance: founding members 34:02 - Naturfa Pathway: recognised by the Welsh Government 35:05 - PILLAR 2: Producing More Food 35:37 - How a market garden ended up being run by the people who said they wouldn't run it 37:47 - Ducks, chickens, and the orchard 41:54 - 50-100+ varieties: why growing diversity is also food security 43:29 - From least to most efficient food production on the same land 44:33 - PILLAR 3: Contributing to the Local Economy 44:33 - Wilder Spirits: the distillery, the story, the paper bottle, 2 April 47:13 - Mark, Sandy, and why six people working on site matters 48:18 - Platform Nature: what it is, who's using it, and where it's going 52:31 - The Grange Hub: opened by the Future Generations Commissioner 53:13 - Wilder Away Days: NHS to corporate 55:23 - Why talking about money is part of the project 56:38 - Cabins: off Airbnb, direct only, and why that was the right call 57:34 - Revenue transparency: the real numbers from the first six months 58:39 - PILLAR 4: Connecting More People to Wilder Nature 58:58 - Wilder Connections: what the charity is, and why Chloe built it 01:01:11 - Four schools in one week 01:02:01 - Teenagers, sticks, and what co-design actually looks like 01:04:10 - The oak tree moment 01:05:38 - Open days: what they are, and why April sold out a month early 01:06:35 - Hopes for the rest of 2026 Links and Resources The Grange Project grangeproject.co.uk Wilder Spirits - pre-orders open 2 April 2026 wilderspirits.co.uk Wilder Connections - Chloe's charity for nature connection in young people wilderconnections.charity Wilder Away Days - nature-centred corporate experiences wilderawaydays.co.uk Platform Nature - tools for nature restoration projects platformnature.com Leave Curious - Rob's rewilding YouTube channel (120,000 subscribers) https://www.youtube.com/@CuriousLeave Dayhike Magazine - the magazine Tom said had him turning every page dayhike.co.uk Book an open day or open morning at the Grange Project grangeproject.co.uk Previous Update Episodes Episode 9 - Building the Ultimate Mosaic: A Grange Project Update https://www.grangeproject.co.uk/wilder-podcast/ep-009-building-the-ultimate-mosaic-a-grange-projectnbspupdate Episode 29 - Failure and Success: 12 Months of Rewilding at the Grange Project https://www.grangeproject.co.uk/wilder-podcast/ep-029-failure-and-success-12-months-of-rewilding-at-the-grange-project 🦩 Did you make it to the end? 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In this conversation, we update you on two big milestones for the Grange Project, the launch of the Welsh Rewilding Alliance and our OECM recognition, before sitting down with Professor Mike Berners‑Lee. We ask Mike to explain the polycrisis : how climate change, biodiversity loss, pollution, food insecurity and geopolitical instability are all interlinked. Mike helps us see why recycling alone won’t cut it: plastics are produced almost entirely from fossil fuels, their emissions could eat up a large chunk of the remaining carbon budget and their additives disrupt hormones. We also talk about why technology by itself isn’t enough, how misinformation slows progress and what practical steps we can all take-like switching to trustworthy media and supporting a national information campaign to wake up and act. Episode journey: [00:05] Introduction and mission. We open the show by explaining why we started the Wilder Podcast: to share our learning about rewilding and the wider forces shaping our world. We remind listeners that we created the Grange Project two and a half years ago to restore nature, grow food, support eco‑businesses and reconnect people with land. [02:24] Two big updates. We proudly announce the launch of the Welsh Rewilding Alliance and its report A Welsh Way to Wild . We also share that the Grange Project has been recognised by the Welsh Government as an OECM , a big step in confirming that our land management has rigorous governance and real biodiversity benefits. [07:08] Introducing Professor Mike Berners‑Lee. We explain how we first encountered Mike’s work-reading There Is No Planet B inspired us to buy the farm and start the Grange Project. Mike introduces himself as a professor, consultant and author. [11:09] What is the polycrisis? Mike explains that the polycrisis is a tangle of interconnected challenges driven by humanity’s unprecedented power. He emphasises that disasters like pandemics and wars no longer happen in isolation; their severity comes from the cascading effects they unleash. For us, it was eye‑opening to see how our economic and political systems amplify these stresses. [16:58] Examples of cascading crises. We discuss real‑world examples: the COVID‑19 pandemic and the war in Ukraine amplifying food and energy crises. Mike highlights that plastic production has boomed since the 1950s and plastics are a major source of emissions and endocrine disruption. It reinforced for us how everything is connected. [20:43] Wake‑up call and the National Emergency Briefing. Mike tells us about the National Emergency Briefing in Westminster, where experts covered nine dimensions of the crisis from health and food to national security and no one thought the situation was exaggerated. We both feel this shows how widely the severity of the crisis is recognised and why we need national action. [23:05] Misinformation and media ownership. We explore how misinformation is blocking progress. Mike challenges the narratives that climate action will leave us poorer and colder, and explains how social‑media algorithms spread disinformation. We urge you to choose trustworthy news sources and recognise manipulation. [29:14] Techno‑optimism vs. systemic change. Mike says that simply scaling up renewables isn’t enough. He points out that although renewable capacity has grown massively, fossil energy use has also climbed, so overall emissions keep rising. That’s why systemic measures like carbon pricing and fossil‑fuel constraints are critical. [33:35] Human psychology and leadership. Together we discuss why people aren’t inherently selfish. Neuroscience and social history suggest we can cultivate cooperation and empathy. Mike encourages us to seek leaders who are kind and honest, and we talk about the courage it takes to speak up and push for change. [47:19] Calls to action. We finish by encouraging you to sign the letter at nebriefing.org , host local screenings of the briefing film and start conversations in your community. Mike notes that facing these issues head‑on feels liberating, we felt it too. [49:05] Host reflections. After the interview, we reflect on our own nerves and gratitude for Mike’s clarity. We discuss doing a mini‑series on the individual crises and debate whether information alone prompts action. We conclude that people need both facts and relatable stories of hopeful change. About the guest: We were honoured to speak with Mike Berners‑Lee , a professor at Lancaster University and founder of Small World Consulting . He advises organisations on sustainability and wrote There Is No Planet B and A Climate of Truth . Mike is known for making complex issues accessible and for advocating systemic solutions to interlinked crises. Resources and links: National Emergency Briefing – A national information briefing on the climate and nature crisis with expert videos, action guides and community‑screening resources. Learn more at https://nebriefing.org . The Welsh Way to Wild report – The Welsh Rewilding Alliance’s report sets out a practical vision for rewilding in Wales. Download the report at https://rewildingalliance.cymru/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Welsh-Rewilding-Alliance-Report-2026.pdf . Small World Consulting – Mike Berners‑Lee’s consultancy helps organisations understand sustainability challenges and thrive in a volatile world. Visit https://www.sw-consulting.co.uk . There Is No Planet B – Mike Berners‑Lee’s handbook on climate, biodiversity and practical solutions. Learn more and find retailers at https://theresnoplanetb.net . A Climate of Truth – Mike’s latest book explores honesty in politics, media and business as a critical lever for tackling the polycrisis. Details and purchase links are at https://climateoftruth.co.uk . National Emergency Briefing open letter – Add your name to the open letter calling for a televised national emergency briefing at https://nebriefing.org/open-letter-keir . Screw This, Let’s Try Something Else – A hopeful podcast featuring community-led projects that are changing food, energy and housing systems. Listen on Apple Podcasts at https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/screw-this-lets-try-something-else/id1863391095 . The Grange Project – Our own rewilding project in Monmouthshire, where we experiment with nature restoration, food growing and eco‑business. Learn more at https://grangeproject.co.uk . Why this episode matters As rewilders, we see how climate change, biodiversity loss, pollution, public health and social instability are woven together. This episode shows that tackling one issue in isolation isn’t enough we need to change the systems that drive multiple crises and challenge misinformation. By combining big‑picture analysis with concrete steps, from signing a letter to choosing better media, we hope to inspire you to join us in building a more hopeful, resilient future.

Chloe and Tom speak with Gwenni Jenkins-Jones and Eben Muse from Tir Natur, a Welsh rewilding charity working to establish Wales’s largest rewilding site. The conversation explores the unique challenges and opportunities for rewilding in Wales and why this moment represents a turning point for nature recovery in the country. Tir Natur recently secured a 1,195-acre landscape in the Doethïe Valley in the Cambrian Mountains, creating a rare opportunity to demonstrate what large-scale ecosystem restoration could look like within a distinctly Welsh cultural and ecological context. The discussion moves beyond ecology alone, examining how rewilding intersects with language, rural communities, land ownership, farming identity and the future of the countryside. This episode is both hopeful and honest. It explores the realities of nature loss in Wales, the misconceptions surrounding rewilding and the importance of community participation in restoring landscapes. At its heart is a powerful idea: that restoring nature is not about removing people from the land, but about rebuilding relationships between people, place and the living systems that sustain both. Tir Natur Crowdfunder – Support the charity’s fundraising appeal for Wales’s largest rewilding project. https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/tirnatur Key topics & chapter markers [00:05] – Introduction & project updates. Chloe and Tom welcome listeners, recount the story of spotting an unexpected otter on their land, apologise to “Pig Sheep Man Paul” for previous sheep‑related frustrations and announce a series of learning events at the Grange Project. [06:28] – Meet Gwenni & Eben. Guests introduce themselves: Gwenni recently became Tir Natur’s fundraising manager after volunteering for a year, while Eben volunteers in planning, community engagement and translation in addition to his day job in access conservation. They describe Tir Natur as a volunteer‑powered charity whose name means “nature’s land”. [08:30] – Why Wales needed Tir Natur. Rewilding projects in England and Scotland inspired action, yet Wales lacked a dedicated rewilding charity. Gwenni recounts that frustration with stalled government action and the desire to create a Welsh flagship site led to Tir Natur’s founding. [09:40] – What ‘rewilding’ means to Tir Natur. Eben and Gwenni define rewilding as restoring whole ecosystems rather than managing single species. They plan to use hardy grazer, cattle, ponies and pigs to create a mosaic of habitats and make the landscape resilient to climate change. [13:06] – The Welsh context. Eben outlines sobering statistics: Wales scores around 37 % on the Biological Intactness Index and 90% of its peat bogs are in poor condition. Agricultural pollution has degraded rivers, and political parties are reluctant to prioritise nature. Gwenni notes that shifting baselines mean many people have forgotten what a healthy landscape looks like. [20:50] – Navigating rewilding’s reputation. Gwenni acknowledges past projects that failed to engage communities and insists Tir Natur will listen to local voices, retain the farmer on the productive part of the land and ensure access rather than exclusion. Eben rejects profit‑driven rewilding and stresses that land should serve communities, not corporate reputations. [30:00] – A 1 195‑acre canvas for rewilding. Gwenni paints a picture of the Doethïe site: 1 195 acres with two rivers, 160 acres of degraded peat ready for restoration and 55 historic features including ancient farmsteads. The charity plans early interventions such as peatland rewetting and river restoration, followed by the introduction of grazing animals to kick‑start natural processes. [38:40] – Next steps & call to action. The first priorities after purchase are community engagement, bringing in hardy grazers and restoring peatlands. Gwenni invites listeners to visit the site, volunteer, share expertise or donate. Fundraising continues to finish purchasing the land and begin restoration. About the guests Gwenni Jenkins‑Jones is the fundraising manager for Tir Natur. After volunteering for a year, she now leads fundraising and community engagement for the charity, using her professional skills to connect donors with a shared vision for rewilding. Email: Gwenni@tirnatur.cymru Eben Mewes works in access conservation and is an ambassador for Campaign for National Parks. He volunteers with Tir Natur, focusing on planning, community outreach and translation. Motivated by frustration with policy in Wales, he sees the new rewilding site as a chance to show what’s possible and to reconnect people with their landscapes. Resources & links Tir Natur – Charity website – Learn about the organisation’s vision for a Wales where wild nature and communities thrive together. https://www.tirnatur.cymru/ Tir Natur – “The Land” – Explore the 1 195‑acre Doethïe site in the Cambrian Mountains, including peatbogs, river corridors and plans for natural grazing. https://www.tirnatur.cymru/the-land Guardian article – News piece covering Tír Natur’s £2.2 million purchase of the 1 195‑acre site, its restoration goals and plans for hardy grazers. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/feb/15/welsh-charity-buys-more-than-405-hectares-for-rewilding Tir Natur Crowdfunder – Support the charity’s fundraising appeal for Wales’s largest rewilding project. https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/tirnatur Connect with the Wilder Podcast Listen & subscribe: Follow the Wilder Podcast on Spotify, Apple Podcasts or your favourite app and leave a rating to help others discover the show. Support rewilding: Visit the Tir Natur website, volunteer, donate or share the project with friends. Grassroots action and community support will determine the success of this flagship site.

Tom and Chloe sit down with Clare from Planton farm to explore what regenerative agriculture really means. Drawing on Claire’s journey from the conventional food industry into regenerative farming, the conversation explores why our current food system is under strain and how working with nature offers a viable, hopeful alternative. Together they explore soil health, livestock grazing, culture change in farming, and the realities farmers face when trying to shift away from extractive systems. From cattle as “ecosystem engineers” to the surprising role chickens can play in regeneration, this episode is a grounded, honest look at food, farming and the mindset shifts required to restore landscapes while keeping farms viable. Key topics & chapter markers [00:00] – Introduction and context Clare joins the podcast after visiting the Grange Project, sharing her background and passion for grazing livestock and regenerative farming. [03:56] – What regenerative agriculture actually means A clear explanation of regeneration as the opposite of degradation – restoring soil, water, biodiversity and people – and why there is no single “recipe” for doing it well. [05:24] – Regenerative vs organic farming How organic and regenerative systems overlap, where they differ, and why organic certification doesn’t automatically guarantee soil regeneration. [07:05] – The challenge of definition and greenwashing Why regenerative agriculture lacks certification, how the term can be misused, and the importance of asking one key question as a consumer: what is this regenerating? [08:48] – Why the current food system is struggling A look back to post-war agriculture, the drive for volume, the rise of chemical inputs and the unintended consequences for soil health, nutrition, biodiversity and resilience. [13:16] – Economics of regenerative farming Why high-input, high-output farming is hitting a ceiling, how rising input costs are eroding margins, and why some farmers turn to regenerative approaches for financial survival as much as environmental reasons. [15:02] – Culture change and farmer mindset Farming as identity, pride and tradition – and why regenerative farming challenges deeply held ideas about tidiness, productivity and what “good farming” looks like. [20:28] – Roots to Regeneration Clare explains the two-year Roots to Regeneration programme, designed to support farmers and food-system professionals through deep, supported transition rather than surface-level change. [24:23] – Cattle, climate and eating less but better meat Why grazing animals can be central to regeneration, how grasslands co-evolved with ruminants, and why cattle can act as ecosystem engineers when managed well. [29:38] – Chickens in a regenerative system Exploring pasture poultry, nutrient imbalance, river pollution and why the current chicken industry is structurally broken. [36:07] – Interconnected roles on the farm How chickens and cattle support each other through manure management, pest control, fertilisation and orchard grazing. [38:47] – The future of farming Regenerative agriculture as a potential fifth agricultural revolution, the rise of eco-literacy and a vision of farming that is more resilient, humane and joyful. About the guest Clare is a regenerative farmer and food-system specialist based in Shropshire. She runs Planton Fam, an 80-acre regenerative holding integrating cattle, chickens, trees and perennial crops. With a background spanning the National Farmers Union, major retailers and sustainability consultancy, Claire brings a rare systems-level perspective to farming, food and land use. She is also co-founder of Roots to Regeneration , a two-year transition programme supporting farmers and food-industry professionals to redesign agricultural systems that work for people, planet and profit. Resources & links Plant & Farm – regenerative meat and produce with UK mainland delivery https://www.plantandfarm.co.uk Roots to Regeneration – applications open for the next cohort: https://rootsofnature.co.uk/roots-to-regeneration/ Groundswell Agriculture Festival – learning and inspiration for regenerative farming https://groundswellag.com Connect with the Wilder Podcast 🎧 Listen & subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts or your favourite podcast platform 🌱 Share the episode with anyone curious about food, farming or systems change 💬 Join the conversation – what questions do you have about regenerative agriculture?

In this pre‑Christmas episode, hosts Chloe and Tom sit down with Tom Clark and Alex Brocklesby from the National Trust at Purbeck. Purbeck is one of the UK’s most biodiverse areas, yet many residents remain disconnected from the nature on their doorstep. Tom and Alex explain how varied geology; including Pool Harbour, chalk ridges and heathlands, creates an incredible range of habitats. They describe how the Purbeck Heaths, the UK’s first super national nature reserve, unites 3500hectares of heathland owned by NGOs, statutory bodies and private landowners. The conversation explores why connecting local communities to this landscape is as important as ecological restoration, highlighting systemic barriers like work pressures and lack of time. Key topics & chapter markers: Each bullet below begins with the approximate start time for that segment: [00:05] Welcome & purpose of the Wilder Podcast. Chloe and Tom explain that the podcast has evolved from documenting their family’s rewilding journey to exploring wider systemic challenges—education, community, economy and eco‑entrepreneurship. [04:20] Conservation sheep and lessons in rewilding. Chloe and Tom recount borrowing six conservation sheep, difficulties moving them between fields and why most commercial sheep aren’t suited to rewilding. Conservation breeds like the Castlemilk Moorit nibble less and promote diverse grasslands. [16:55] Introducing Purbeck’s biodiversity. Tom Clark and Alex Brocklesby describe Purbeck as one of the most biodiverse parts of the UK because of its varied geology—harbours, chalk ridges, heathlands and limestone cliffs. They note the long‑standing presence of organisations like Natural England, the National Trust and RSPB. [19:17] Super National Nature Reserve. The guests explain that the Purbeck Heaths are the UK’s first super national nature reserve. The reserve unites several smaller reserves into a continuous 3500 hectare landscape that includes private landowners, demonstrating collaboration beyond NGOs. [20:54] – Experiences on the Isle of Purbeck. Visitors can see snakes, lizards, puffins, eagles, beavers and butterflies; picnic in flower‑rich meadows; explore sheltered beaches with seahorses; wander ancient woodlands; watch sunsets; or go coasteering along the Jurassic Coast. Four million people visit each year because the region offers so many ways to connect with nature. [22:55] – Why local people aren’t more connected to nature. Despite living in a biodiverse landscape, Purbeck residents aren’t any more nature‑connected than people elsewhere. Nearly 40 % of local children start school without ever having been to the beach. Tom and Alex discuss building trust with schools, community groups and businesses and reflect on the need for community‑led approaches, rather than top‑down conservation. [27:19] – Systemic barriers & opportunities. Modern lifestyles—commuting, low‑paid seasonal work, high numbers of second homes—leave little time for nature connection. Society is structured around nine‑to‑five routines rather than natural rhythms. The guests urge listeners to co‑create solutions that make time in nature accessible to everyone. About the guests: Tom Clark Land & Outdoors Manager for the National Trust’s Purbeck portfolio. He leads teams responsible for nature conservation, habitat restoration and visitor engagement across the Purbeck Heaths. Tom is passionate about collaborative, community‑led rewilding and believes the future of conservation depends on partnerships between NGOs and local people. Alex Brocklesby Community & Volunteering Manager for the National Trust at Purbeck. With a background in community organising, Alex builds relationships with schools, youth groups and local organisations to help residents benefit from the region’s natural assets. She co‑leads the Purbeck Community Project, which aims to make nature connection part of everyday life. Resources & links: Purbeck Heaths Super National Nature Reserve learn about the UK’s first “super” NNR, which brings together three existing reserves to create a bigger, more connected landscape. Visit the official site at https://purbeckheaths.org.uk . National Trust Purbeck the National Trust teamed up with six other landowners to create the Purbeck Heaths super reserve; find top facts, wildlife information and visitor guidance at https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/our-cause/nature-climate/nature-conservation/uks-first-super-nature-reserve-at-purbeck-heaths . The Grange Project Chloe and Tom’s 80‑acre rewilding initiative in Monmouthshire aims to restore wilder nature and inspire people through community involvement. Explore our story at https://www.grangeproject.co.uk . Nature Connection research the University of Derby’s Nature Connectedness Research Group studies how people’s relationships with nature affect wellbeing and conservation behaviourderby.ac.uk . Read more and access resources at https://www.derby.ac.uk/research/themes/zero-carbon/zero-carbon-nbs-research-centre/nature-connectedness-research-group/ . Connect with the Wilder Podcast: Subscribe & review: If you enjoyed this episode, follow the Wilder Podcast on your preferred podcast app and leave a rating. It helps others discover the show. Join the conversation: Share your thoughts or questions on social media and tag @WilderPodcast. What experiences have inspired your connection to nature? Support nature restoration: Visit the National Trust Purbeck or your local nature reserve. Consider volunteering, donating or joining a community project to help make landscapes wilder and more inclusive. Ep Art Image Credit: Purbeck Super NNR in Dorset at Little Sea | © National Trust Images / John Miller

Guest: Tom Johnston e – Founder of We Are Nature Based Host: Tom Constable (co‑founder of The Grange Project) Episode overview In this special episode, Tom Constable talks to flood‑management expert Tom Johnstone about the catastrophic flooding that recently hit Monmouthshire and large parts of Wales. We explore what drove the event, whether it was simply a natural flood or part of a climate‑induced trend, and what practical solutions exist to reduce future risk. This conversation is grounded in both data and lived experience; it also responds to a social‑media debate where some posts dismissed any link between climate change and flooding. About Tom Johnson: Founder of We Are Nature Based , a community interest company that helps water companies, local authorities and land managers adopt natural flood management techniques. Works across the UK integrating nature‑based solutions with traditional (grey) infrastructure, including leaky woody dams, tree planting and wetland creation. Previously collaborated with the Grange Project to install around 50 leaky woody structures in their stream – an effort that Tom Constable credits with slowing water on the farm. Episode highlights: [00:00] Introduction & purpose – Host Tom Constable explains the devastating floods that struck Monmouthshire and his aim to explore whether the floods are climate‑induced or natural. [01:50] Acknowledging the impact – Guest Tom Johnson sends sympathies to affected communities, noting the hardship and setting the tone for a thoughtful discussion. [03:20] Why Tom Johnstone? – Tom Johnstone outlines his credentials as the founder of We Are Nature Based and his expertise in natural flood management. [04:30] What happened? Rainfall & river levels – The conversation turns to the flood statistics: nearly 120 mm of rain fell in 12 hours (more than 10 % of the annual average) and the River Monnow’s defences were overtopped. [06:30] Are floods climate‑induced? – Tom Johnson explains that while floods are natural, the frequency of heavy rainfall and droughts is increasing due to climate change. [09:00] Land use, soils & runoff – They discuss how centuries of land drainage, river straightening and intensive farming have compacted soils and accelerated runoff; Tom uses a dried‑out sponge analogy to describe baked soils repelling water. [13:00] Dredging vs. slowing the flow – A pragmatic discussion on dredging where it’s needed and why slowing the flow with leaky dams, ponds and vegetation is often a better approach. [16:00] Grange Project anecdote & climate projections – Tom Constable shares how hedgerows, tussocky grass and woody debris have slowed runoff on his farm; Tom Johnson discusses predictions of more flash‑flood events in Wales. [19:00] Beyond higher walls: budgets & catchments – They question the wisdom of endlessly raising flood walls and advocate investing some flood‑defence budgets in catchment‑wide natural solutions. [22:00] Policy & planning recommendations – Tom Johnstone suggests permeable paving for new developments, smart rainwater butts, incentives for farmers to hold water on their land, and integrated catchment planning. [25:00] Closing thoughts & call to action – Tom Constable thanks his guest and encourages listeners to learn more, support affected communities and push for systemic change. Resources and further reading We Are Nature Based : Tom Johnston e’s organisation specialising in natural flood management. The Grange Project: grangeproject.co.uk – Tom and Chloe’s nature‑restoration project in Monmouthshire. Ep Art Image acknowledgement: GETTY IMAGES

In episode 46 of The Wilder Podcast , hosts Chloe and Tom explore how wild places heal people and ecosystems. Their guest is Jo Roberts , CEO of the Wilderness Foundation UK . Jo shares how her childhood in South Africa fostered a deep respect for wilderness, how trauma influenced her career path, and why she believes access to nature should be a basic public health right. The conversation covers the Grange Project’s latest updates (volunteers, community‑days and new Berkshire pigs), the difference between parks and true wilderness, and the Wilderness Foundation’s programmes for survivors of domestic abuse, young people experiencing mental‑health challenges and at‑risk youth. Together they discuss why being outdoors with others, facing manageable challenges and reconnecting with non‑human nature can transform mental and emotional health. Guest: Jo Roberts – CEO, Wilderness Foundation UK Jo has been Chief Executive of the Wilderness Foundation since 2004 and previously worked as Projects Director and Project Coordinator wildernessfoundation.org.uk . A South African by birth, Jo was shaped by wild places across Africa and studied social anthropology during apartheid. She moved to the UK in 1984 and later merged her global network of wilderness practitioners into programmes that use nature to promote wellbeing and behavioural change wildernessfoundation.org.uk . Jo is a master NLP practitioner and psychotherapeutic counsellor who leads wilderness therapy programmes, with research interests in how immersion in nature affects mental health wildernessfoundation.org.uk . She also serves on the Essex Climate Action Commission and champions the idea that “ we help nature and nature helps us ” wildernessfoundation.org.uk . Timestamps & Topics: [00:00] Introductions & Grange Project update [08:00] Jo Roberts’ background [16:00] What counts as wilderness? [28:00] Why wilderness heals [36:00] Programmes & therapeutic work [45:00] Access to nature as a public health right [55:00] Reflections & takeaways: Key Takeaways: Wild places are medicine. Research on the Wilderness Foundation’s TurnAround programme shows that spending time in wilderness and receiving long‑term support improves emotional wellbeing for most participants and helps them into education, training or work smileymovement.org . Nature‑based therapy blends challenge and care. Programmes like Blossom and Brave Futures combine bushcraft, outdoor cooking and art therapy with trauma‑informed counselling wildernessfoundation.org.uk wildernessfoundation.org.uk . Participants learn boundaries, resilience and self‑care in a supportive group. Volunteers and community matter. The Grange Project’s success owes much to volunteers and WWOOF‑ers who contribute energy and ideas; the hosts underline that community days not only help the land but also energise the hosts. Access to nature is a social issue. Jo argues that nature immersion should be a public health right, and points to transport, funding and education policy as barriers. She calls for greater investment in outdoor education and for teachers and parents to model curiosity about nature. Three ingredients for healing: a diverse, “wild” environment; a supportive group or tribe; and a challenge that develops mastery and resilience. Further Resources: Wilderness Foundation UK: Main charity page with information on programmes, events and volunteering opportunities – https://wildernessfoundation.org.uk . Blossom Programme: Nature‑based therapy for survivors of domestic abuse; meets for ten weeks in woodland near Chelmsford wildernessfoundation.org.uk – https://wildernessfoundation.org.uk/domestic-violence-recovery/ . Brave Futures: Eight‑week group‑therapy programme for children, teens and adults experiencing mental‑health challenges wildernessfoundation.org.uk – https://wildernessfoundation.org.uk/brave-futures/ . TurnAround: A year‑long wilderness‑therapy programme for vulnerable young people; includes a Scottish expedition and mentoring smileymovement.org – https://wildernessfoundation.org.uk/turnaround/. Grange Project: Tom and Chloe’s 80‑acre nature‑restoration site in Wales; volunteer opportunities and podcast archive – https://grangeproject.co.uk . WWOOF UK: Information on Worldwide Opportunities on Organic Farms (WWOOF), the volunteering network mentioned in the episode – https://wwoof.org.uk . How to Get Involved: Volunteer or donate: The Wilderness Foundation relies on volunteers and donations to run programmes; opportunities range from mentoring to conservation work. Details are on the Foundation’s volunteer page. Explore your local wild spaces: Whether it’s a city park or a remote forest, take time to notice birdsong, plant patterns and the feel of the wind. Even small pockets of wildness can soothe the mind. Share this episode: If you know someone who might benefit from wilderness therapy or who is interested in rewilding and mental health, share this episode of the Wilder Podcast. Contact & Support: Wilderness Foundation UK – email info@wildernessfoundation.org.uk ; phone 0300 123 3073 wildernessfoundation.org.uk . The Grange Project – email hello@grangeproject.co.uk for volunteering or to attend future community days.

This week on the Wilder Podcast , we sit down with Chris Blake to explore how communities can steward land through collaboration, long-term vision and trust between local people and public bodies. We also share Grange Project updates (bumper apple harvest, the market garden & "cathedral-scale" polytunnel!), two recent courses, and announce Wilder Away Days - our nature-based corporate retreats. Key takeaways: Community land stewardship ≠ one model. Freehold, long leasehold, management agreements and co-production each offer different ways for local values to shape land. Co-production works when power is shared. Start with a blank page, bring evidence-givers (forestry, ecology, education), and let a mixed panel turn evidence into values & principles - not expert-written plans. Continuous Cover Forestry (CCF) can beat clear-fell on 100-year horizons: better soils, flood risk, vistas - and local, steady jobs from ongoing thinning rather than boom-and-bust harvesting. Public bodies win too. Communities unlock grants, volunteers and entrepreneurial energy that agencies often lack - delivering outcomes already in policy (biodiversity, access, carbon). Trust is the glue. A year-long, facilitated process built mutual respect between Natural Resources Wales managers and residents; FSC certification also helps keep plans on track. Practical first steps. If transfer isn’t feasible, explore long leases or co-produced forest/resource plans; talk to national support orgs early (see "Resources"). Timestamps: 00:06 — Welcome & what’s ahead 00:30 — Grange Project update: community day, record apple harvest & juice pressing 06:50 — Announcement: Wilder Away Days (purposeful team retreats in wild nature) 10:15 — Guest intro: Chris Blake & the journey to community stewardship 13:05 — What is “community land stewardship”? Why it matters 15:40 — Lessons from Scotland’s community buyouts (Noidart, forestry, hydro, housing) 19:40 — The co-production model in the Rhondda: who’s in the room & how it ran 27:55 — Designing for Continuous Cover Forestry & local jobs over decades 30:00 — Why agencies benefit: capacity, risk culture, and policy delivery 34:35 — Accountability: FSC, public scrutiny & relationship-based safeguards 37:55 — Inside the room: creative methods, expert “witnesses,” values > wish-lists 47:50 — Where to go for help (nation-specific orgs) 49:47 — Closing reflections: changing the values that shape landscapes 50:02 — Hosts’ debrief: win-wins, optimism, and where else co-production fits Guest: Chris Blake - social entrepreneur focused on community energy and land stewardship; founding director at The Green Valleys , long-term work in the Rhondda on co-produced forest visions; chair & founding trustee at Black Mountains College ; volunteer director at Co-production Network for Wales and Global Action Plan . Resources & organisations mentioned: Natural Resources Wales (NRW) - public forest & land manager in Wales Welcome to Our Woods - community woodland group in Treherbert The Green Valleys - community renewable energy & stewardship Black Mountains College - climate-focused higher education Co-production Network for Wales - facilitation & training FSC certification - forest management standards & accountability Getting started / advice: England: Locality Wales: Development Trusts Association Wales (DTA Wales) Scotland: Community Land Scotland Northern Ireland: Development Trusts NI (Note: legislation and routes differ by nation - start with your country’s body above.) New: Wilder Away Days (for teams) Ditch the windowless hotel. Come to our architect-designed hub in wild nature for strategy, communication and team-bonding days - with facilitation by a clinical psychologist, purposeful conservation activities, and seasonal food grown metres from the table. Profits support Wilder Connections (youth nature-connection charity). Enquiries: wilderawaydays.co.uk About the hosts: Chloe Constable - clinical psychologist & systemic psychotherapist; facilitator of reflective, nature-based work with organisations, co-leads the Grange Project and the Wilder Podcast. Tom Constable - veteran, producer and entrepreneur; co-leads the Grange Project and the Wilder Podcast. Show description: The Wilder Podcast explores nature connection, rewilding and the practicalities of building people-and-planet-positive projects - told from the ground at our 80-acre Grange Project in Wales, plus conversations with practitioners, researchers and community leaders. Connect & share: Subscribe & review : it really helps others find the show Share this episode with someone working in land, community or local government Book a Wilder Away Day for your team: wilderawaydays.co.uk Follow the Grange Project for course dates, volunteer days & market-garden news: grangeproject.co.uk

In this episode, Tom and Chloe sit down with chef-turned-homesteader Gaz Oakley to explore his remarkable journey from the high-pressure kitchens of Cardiff and London to a more grounded life growing food and foraging in the Welsh hills. With 1.8 million YouTube followers, five cookbooks, and a deepening connection to land, Gaz shares how food, nature, and simplicity became the foundation of his transformation. This honest conversation explores the systemic challenges of modern living, the healing power of growing your own food, and how small acts like growing herbs on a windowsill can become a radical form of resistance. Key Takeaways Nature deficiency is real. Gaz describes the anxiety and disconnection he felt in city life — and how growing his own food and spending time outdoors radically improved his wellbeing. Food is medicine. From fermenting tomatoes to foraging yarrow, Gaz has reimagined food not just as fuel but as nourishment for body, soul, and soil. Start small, grow meaningfully. Whether it's a tomato plant on a windowsill or an allotment plot in the city, Gaz encourages listeners to take accessible first steps towards food autonomy. Authenticity over aesthetics. Despite his large digital following, Gaz speaks candidly about the tension between online influence and offline peace, and his longing to connect with people in-person through real-world projects. Music, clothing, and relationships change. When you reconnect with nature, everything else aligns — even your Spotify playlist. Timestamps 00:00 – A sip of hibiscus and a warm welcome 01:00 – Setting the tone: hospitality, herbs, and grounding rituals 03:00 – What’s The Grange Project? An intro for new listeners 06:00 – Upcoming community day highlights (apple pressing, polytunnel building, wood meadows) 08:00 – Meet Gaz Oakley: chef, YouTuber, homesteader 11:30 – From burnout to foraging: Gaz’s turning point during COVID 15:00 – How growing food changed Gaz’s entire relationship with cooking 18:00 – The deeper meaning of foraging, soil health, and nourishment 22:00 – From beats to birdsong: how Gaz’s music taste reflects his transformation 25:00 – Systemic critique and compassion for city dwellers 28:00 – Social media, influence, and the silent revolution of self-sufficiency 34:00 – How self-sufficient is Gaz? The ups and downs of growing most of your food 38:00 – Time, joy, and the rhythm of gardening 41:00 – Herbalism, slow living, and detoxing from industrial life 46:00 – Gaz’s advice: practical steps for rewilding your life — even in the city 50:00 – Final reflections and future plans 52:00 – Postscript chat: bromances, polytunnels, and McDonald’s metaphors Guest Bio Gaz Oakley is a chef, author, YouTuber, and passionate homesteader based in Wales. Best known for his plant-based recipes and hugely popular channel "Avant Garde Vegan", Gaz is now on a mission to grow his own food, live more naturally, and inspire others to reconnect with the land. Links & Resources Gaz Oakley on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/avantgardevegan The Grange Project: https://www.grangeproject.co.uk Join the WhatsApp Community: https://www.grangeproject.co.uk/whatsapp Newsletter Signup: Stay updated Support the podcast: Rate, review, and share! Mentioned in this episode: Visit & Stay at the Grange Project Would you like to escape the trappings of the modern world and wake-up in the morning to one of the best views in South Wales, where only the birds are noisy? We have two beautiful and sustainably built ‘tiny homes’, carefully located in secluded locations across our 80 acre rewilding project. Visit Grange Project

In this episode of the Wilder Podcast, we sit down with Ben Goldsmith, financier, conservationist, and passionate rewilding advocate, to explore the deeply personal and global dimensions of nature restoration. Ben shares how the tragic loss of his daughter, Iris, became the catalyst for rewilding his Somerset farm, transforming grief into a living love letter to her wild spirit. We also explore his belief in the healing power of nature, both for individuals and for landscapes, and why reconnecting young people with the natural world is one of the greatest challenges of our time. From there, we broaden the lens to global rewilding projects and the emerging role of nature credits, from carbon and biodiversity credits to water quality markets, in funding large-scale ecological recovery. Ben explains the opportunities, risks, and integrity challenges of these markets, and why, despite their imperfections, they may be one of the most powerful tools available to scale restoration at speed. Key Takeaways How the loss of Ben’s daughter Iris inspired his family’s rewilding journey. The healing role of nature in times of deep grief. Why rewilding can happen on any scale, from a window box to thousands of acres. The promise and pitfalls of nature credits, from carbon markets to biodiversity net gain. Why reconnecting young people with nature is essential for our collective future. How hope, optimism, and pragmatic financing can fuel a wilder world. Timestamps 00:00 – Weather, drought, and the Grange Project’s changing landscape 09:30 – Introducing Ben Goldsmith and his lifelong passion for nature 16:00 – Rewilding in memory of Iris: grief, love, and transformation 27:00 – Nature connection, childhood, and ecological identity 33:00 – The return of beavers and winning hearts for rewilding 36:00 – Nature credits explained: carbon, water, biodiversity 46:00 – Risks, integrity, and scepticism in new nature markets 52:00 – The future of Welsh farming and policy courage 01:00:00 – Reflections on accountability, funding gaps, and next steps Guest Bio – Ben Goldsmith Ben Goldsmith is an environmentalist, investor, and writer. He chairs the Conservative Environment Network and is the founder of Rewilding the World , a podcast sharing stories of global restoration. His memoir, God is an Octopus , documents his journey through grief and the solace he found in rewilding his Somerset farm after the tragic loss of his daughter Iris. Ben has also worked extensively in green investment, particularly in natural capital and renewable energy, seeking ways to channel finance into large-scale ecological recovery. Hosts Tom & Chloe Constable are the founders of the Grange Project , an 80-acre rewilding initiative in Monmouthshire, Wales. Through the Wilder Podcast, they document their journey in restoring nature, raising a young family, and exploring the wider rewilding movement with leading voices from around the world. The Wilder Podcast The Wilder Podcast explores the people, ideas, and projects driving the rewilding movement. From family farms to global landscapes, we share honest conversations about restoring nature, finding hope, and building a wilder future. Connect with Us 🌱 Visit the Grange Project: www.grangeproject.co.uk 🌿 Follow on Instagram: @grangeprojectwales 🎧 Subscribe to the Wilder Podcast wherever you listen to podcasts

In this episode of the Wilder Podcast, Chloe and Tom discuss the recent opening of the Grange Hub and explore two significant restorative practices: Natural Flood Management (NFM) and Nature Guardianship. Tom Johnston from We Are Nature Based CIC explains how NFM utilises natural processes to manage water flow, contrasting it with traditional gray infrastructure. The conversation also explores Nature Guardianship, a concept that integrates the voice of nature into decision-making processes. The episode highlights the need for a mindset shift in water management and the potential for these practices to create our 'wilder world'. Community discount for the Grange Project's Wilder Cabins : 'COMMUNITY10'. Click here . Your Hosts: Tom Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/ Chloe Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chloe-constable-24155821b/ Website: https://www.grangeproject.co.uk Podcast Journey Page: https://www.grangeproject.co.uk/wilder-podcast Grange Project Contact & Social Media: Email: hello@grangeproject.co.uk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grange.project/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/grangeproject YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@GrangeProject LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/ Takeaways: The Grange Hub opening marks a significant milestone for the project. Natural Flood Management (NFM) uses natural processes to manage water flow. NFM can prevent flooding and enhance biodiversity. Nature Guardianship brings the voice of nature into decision-making. Restorative practices reconnect humans with nature. Community engagement is crucial for successful environmental initiatives. Cumulative small interventions can have a large impact on water management. Mindset shifts are necessary for effective water management. Nature Guardianship can help shift cultural attitudes towards nature. Investing in nature-based solutions is essential for sustainability. Chapters: 00:00 Introduction to the Wilder Podcast and Grange Hub Opening 12:23 Natural Flood Management: Understanding the Concept 42:07 Nature Guardianship: A New Approach to Decision-Making 54:25 Restorative Practices: Reflections from the interview.

Summary In this episode of The Wilder Podcast , hosts Chloe and Tom explore the concept of nature connection, discussing its importance for mental health and wellbeing, the barriers that prevent it, and the pathways to rekindling our relationship with the natural world. They explore the significance of understanding nature connection, particularly among adolescents, and stress the need for systemic change to encourage deeper engagement with nature. The conversation underscores the reciprocal relationship between people and the environment, calling for a shift in language and policy to strengthen nature connection across society. Prof Miles Richardson's books Website The Blackbird's Song Reconnection Nature Connection Research Group Takeaways Nature connection is vital for mental health and wellbeing. The UK ranks low in both nature connectedness and biodiversity. Urbanisation and technology are major contributors to disconnection from nature. Emotional engagement and education can foster stronger nature connection. Adolescents often experience a notable dip in nature connection during their teenage years. Research shows a strong correlation between nature connection and pro-environmental behaviour. Engaging the senses is a powerful way to deepen nature connection. Community involvement plays a key role in successful nature restoration projects. Nature connection should be seen as a reciprocal relationship. Systemic changes are essential to improving access to nature for everyone. Chapters 00:00 – Introduction 10:49 – Understanding Nature Connection 16:01 – Defining Nature Connection 21:25 – Nature Connection and Wellbeing 32:55 – Barriers to Nature Connection 45:43 – Pathways to Nature Connection 50:48 – Engaging Adolescents in Nature Connection 55:54 – Reflections and Future Directions

What happens when we treat our rivers like sewers, ignore regulation, and allow polluters to profit from destruction? In this milestone 40th episode of The Wilder Podcast , we sit down with James Wallace , CEO of River Action, for one of our most eye-opening conversations yet. Beyond the outrage, this conversation is a masterclass in what needs to change, how it can change, and what each of us can do to be part of the solution. Your Hosts Tom Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/ Chloe Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chloe-constable-24155821b/ Website: https://www.grangeproject.co.uk Podcast Journey Page: https://www.grangeproject.co.uk/wilder-podcast Grange Project Contact & Social Media Email: hello@grangeproject.co.uk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grange.project/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/grangeproject YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@GrangeProject LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/ Fencing Company Tom Mentioned: https://www.wilcrickgroup.co.uk/ Our Guest: James Wallace is the CEO of River Action, an environmental NGO committed to ending river pollution in the UK. A former archaeologist, campaigner, and founder of multiple environmental organisations, James has worked on conservation projects from the UK to Madagascar, and now leads legal and policy challenges to clean up Britain’s rivers. 🔗 Visit River Action UK 🌊 Explore the River Rescue Kit 📱 Follow @riveractionuk on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, LinkedIn and X Episode Timestamps: [00:00] Introduction and updates from the Grange Project, including the new market garden, the first school visit to the project and freedom for the pigs. [09:42] Meet James Wallace – CEO of River Action and hear his journey from chalk stream childhood to river campaigner [13:42] What’s the problem with our rivers? A breakdown of pollutants [17:46] What healthy rivers could mean for wildlife, communities and the economy [23:24] Why haven’t we fixed this already? A deep dive into regulation and politics [27:35] What can individuals and communities do to make a difference? [34:33] What is the River Rescue Kit and how will it help local campaigners? [38:00] Do we need new laws or better enforcement of existing ones? [42:42] Political will, lobbying pressure, and the role of growth narratives [46:00] Why River Action is pursuing new legal challenges in 2025 [49:00] Reflections on the river as a public good—and why this moment matters [53:20] Closing reflections from Tom & Chloe ⭐️ Enjoyed the Episode? Tap Follow or Subscribe so you never miss a future conversation Leave a 5-star review to help others discover the show Share this episode with a friend or campaign group Screenshot your favourite moment and tag us on Instagram! Mentioned in this episode: Visit & Stay at the Grange Project Would you like to escape the trappings of the modern world and wake-up in the morning to one of the best views in South Wales, where only the birds are noisy? We have two beautiful and sustainably built ‘tiny homes’, carefully located in secluded locations across our 80 acre rewilding project. Visit Grange Project

In this episode we speak with the inspirational Jane Davidson, the former government minister who proposed the groundbreaking Wellbeing of Future Generations Act. We discuss how the Act came to be, the influence the legislation has had and why Wales is now being watched by countries around the world looking to follow its lead. Your Hosts: Tom Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/ Chloe Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chloe-constable-24155821b/ Website: https://www.grangeproject.co.uk Podcast Journey Page: https://www.grangeproject.co.uk/wilder-podcast ** Community Day Sign-up ** https://www.grangeproject.co.uk/volunteers-day Thrivalism Episode: https://www.grangeproject.co.uk/wilder-podcast/ep-038-thrivalism-with-tony-juniper-cbe Grange Project Contact & Social Media: Email: hello@grangeproject.co.uk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grange.project/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/grangeproject YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@GrangeProject LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/ Our Guest: Jane Davidson is an environmentalist, author and international speaker. From 2000 - 2011, Jane was Minister for Education, then Minister for Environment and Sustainability in the Welsh Government, where she proposed legislation to make sustainability the central organising principle; the Wellbeing of Future Generations Act came into law in 2015. She introduced the first plastic bag charge in the UK, and her recycling regulations took Wales to third best in the world. She created a Climate Change Commission for Wales, the post of Sustainable Futures Commissioner, and the Wales Coast Path. Website: https://janedavidson.wales/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jane-davidson-24070337/ Listen out for: [00:00:00] Tom and Chloe update on the project, including an exciting update about the opening of the Grange Hub. [00:04:17] Jane introduces herself and the rich influences from her background. [00:13:23] We hear about the development of the Wellbeing of Future Generations Act, what it contains and what it means. [00:21:02] Chloe asks about how the act was received at a government level. [00:26:18] Tom questions Jane about examples of policy shifts associated with the act and she shares various examples, for example: universal basic income for care leavers, cessation of major road build projects in Wales and the 20mph speed limit in urban areas. [00:33:30] Jane tells us about how the act gives the government permission to think differently. [00:35:27] Tom asks Jane about the role of communication to all stakeholders around the act and we talk about the role of reframing and humour in this. [00:44:09] We discuss the international response to the wellbeing act. [00:47:54] Tom and Chloe reflect on the interview. Mentioned in this episode: Visit & Stay at the Grange Project Would you like to escape the trappings of the modern world and wake-up in the morning to one of the best views in South Wales, where only the birds are noisy? We have two beautiful and sustainably built ‘tiny homes’, carefully located in secluded locations across our 80 acre rewilding project. Visit Grange Project

Tony Juniper, Chair of Natural England, shares with us a powerful thesis: we cannot fight the climate and ecological crisis without first addressing social inequality. Not content with just highlighting these connections, Tony describes the system change necessary to move us all forward; the new political philosophy of Thrivalism. Your Hosts Tom Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/ Chloe Constable: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chloe-constable-24155821b/ Website: https://www.grangeproject.co.uk Podcast Journey Page: https://www.grangeproject.co.uk/wilder-podcast Grange Project Contact & Social Media: Email: hello@grangeproject.co.uk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grange.project/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/grangeproject YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@GrangeProject LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-constable/ Our Guests: Tony’s career is devoted to Nature recovery, environmental protection and sustainable development. Working across many activities, including research, campaigning, policy and writing. Involvement with many organisations including Friends of the Earth, Wildlife Trusts, WWF, HRH The Prince of Wales’s International Sustainability Unit, CISL Cambridge and Birdlife International. In depth activity on climate change, Nature conservation, circular economy and more. Now the Chair at Natural England. Website: https://tonyjuniper.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tony-juniper-cbe-a2763b31/?originalSubdomain=uk New book "Just Earth": https://amzn.eu/d/8cwIaHn Listen out for: [00:00:00] Tom provides a brief overview of the Grange Project and they discuss their latest addition: The Market Garden. [00:08:50] Tony introduces himself and his thesis that the environmental crisis cannot be addressed without first considering social inequality. [00:11:40] We discuss examples of the connection between these two concepts including the disproportionate use of resources, the perceived value of limitless economic growth and the differing impacts of environmental decline. [00:17:07] Tom asks about how the book has been received. [00:19:05] Chloe reflects on how cost of living is often given as a justification for environmental inaction, particularly with regards to cheap food, water and energy bills. [00:23:43] We talk about how we need to respond to these challenges and the concept of Thrivalism. [00:29:07] Chloe raises the point about how it’s in everyone’s interests to work towards a fairer society due to the risks of both environmental and societal collapse. [00:30:52] We discuss the benefits of more equal societies and the influences on our political systems. [00:38:08] Chloe asks about the definition of wealth and the philosophy of indigenous wisdom. [00:41:32] Tom asks about Tony’s hopes for Thrivalism. [00:44:40] Tom and Chloe reflect on the interview. Mentioned in this episode: Visit & Stay at the Grange Project Would you like to escape the trappings of the modern world and wake-up in the morning to one of the best views in South Wales, where only the birds are noisy? We have two beautiful and sustainably built ‘tiny homes’, carefully located in secluded locations across our 80 acre rewilding project. Visit Grange Project