The Sunday Shakeout

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One week. One tough loss. Six days to figure out what comes next. At the 2026 IHSA Class 3A State Championships, Owen Horeni finished second in the 800m, running 1:51. It wasn’t the ending he wanted. Less than a week later, he lined up again at the HOKA Festival of Miles, fought all the way to the line, and dove for the win in 1:48.58. That race was the perfect snapshot of Owen’s senior season. He ran 1:50.25 for 3rd at the Arcadia Invitational, then dropped his PR to 1:50.18 at sectionals. He also won the 1,600m sectional title in 4:13.25. After four years of climbing the podium at the state meet, he had put together one of the best middle-distance careers in Yorkville history. But there’s a lot more to Owen’s story than the times. He grew up running with his marathoner parents and found his love for competition in elementary school cross country. He dealt with knee issues and cross training early in high school, trained through Illinois winters, and slowly figured out that the 800 might be where he could really make his mark. We talk about what actually happened between state and HOKA. The disappointment. The reset. The differences in the two races. The role of pace lights, race conditions, crowd energy, and having the right people around you when things don’t go according to plan. Owen also takes me through the recruiting process, from reaching out to more than 200 coaches to visiting schools like Stanford and Georgetown, and eventually deciding that Notre Dame was the place he wanted to call home. Now he’s heading into college, where the races will be less frequent, the training will be longer, and progress won’t always be as obvious. So maybe the biggest lesson from Owen’s story isn’t a time or a place. It’s learning how to stay patient, keep moving forward, and trust that the work is adding up. Stay the course. If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review. And if you know someone who would get something out of this conversation, send it their way.

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One hundredth of a second. That was the difference between Caleb Winders winning and going home wondering what he could have done differently. A few weeks later, he ran 1:46.85. The Bloomington North senior has spent the last few years quietly building himself into one of the best 800-meter runners in the country. Now headed to UNC, Winders has combined raw speed with a blue-collar approach to training, racing, and getting better every day. In 2026, he repeated as Indiana 800m state champion and broke the state record with a 1:46.85. He won New Balance Nationals Indoor and Outdoor, adding two more national titles to his résumé. He also helped Bloomington North win its fourth Indiana 4x800-meter state championship. But the numbers only tell half the story. This season also brought Winders his biggest setback. A hamstring injury hit during the postseason, forcing him to balance his own goals with his responsibility to his team. It was a reminder that even when everything is moving forward, running can still ask you to slow down. In this conversation, we get into what it actually feels like to run 1:46, the mental battle of the 800, the race he lost by a hundredth, and the day-to-day grind behind the performances. We talk about pressure, confidence, pain, consistency, and why Winders still seems to care most about one simple thing: beating the people next to him and having fun doing it. Now, the high school chapter is over. Chapel Hill is next. Tap into the Caleb Winders Special. If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following The Sunday Shakeout on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review. And if you know someone who would enjoy this conversation, send it their way.

Sometimes the athletes who go the farthest are the ones who never made the biggest splash at the start. Hunter Robbie didn't become a two-time Nike Cross Nationals All-American overnight. The 2026 Niwot High School graduate grew from an overlooked middle school runner into one of the leaders of the greatest cross country dynasty in the country, helping Niwot capture back-to-back NXN titles and three straight Colorado 5A state championships. His senior season was one of remarkable consistency. Hunter finished sixth at Nike Cross Nationals in 15:11 to earn his second consecutive All-American finish. He ran 14:34.2 for runner-up at Nike Cross Southwest Regional. He was named the 2025-26 Colorado Gatorade Boys Cross Country Player of the Year and closed out his high school career with personal bests of 4:07 for 1600 meters and 8:45 for 3200 meters before heading to Duke. But this conversation isn't about the medals. It's about the people who believed in him before he believed in himself. We talk about the coach who made a four-year bet on a kid who wasn't yet winning races, why consistency always beats chasing the perfect workout, and how Niwot built a culture where teammates could compete fiercely without becoming competitors first. Hunter also reflects on falling while leading the Colorado state championships, carrying the pressure of defending a national title, and why making running your entire identity is one of the fastest ways to lose the joy that makes great performances possible. His perspective is simple. Care deeply. Stay loose. Keep showing up. The results will take care of themselves. Tap into the Hunter Robbie Special. Follow The Sunday Shakeout on Spotify and Apple Podcasts, and if you enjoyed the episode, leave a five-star review.

This week, I'm taking a break from guest interviews to share a few lessons from my final varsity camp before senior cross country. We talk about why I decided to step away from Strava, what chasing social validation was quietly doing to my training, and how I'm learning to focus less on what everyone else is doing and more on becoming the best version of myself. I also reflect on the teammates who shaped my high school running journey, what leadership has come to mean to me, and why taking care of your mind might be just as important as taking care of your body. Whether you're gearing up for a new season, feeling overwhelmed by comparison, or simply trying to find more purpose in your training, I hope this episode gives you something to think about. Thanks for listening to The Sunday Shakeout.

Andrew Brown was labeled a prodigy before he was old enough to drive. Then came the pressure, the setbacks, and the question every young athlete eventually faces: who are you when things don't go your way? The rising senior from Tupelo High School to its first Class 7A cross country state championship since 2013 while winning his second straight individual state title. He followed it with a dominant track season, sweeping the Class 7A 1600m and 3200m titles before breaking the Mississippi state record with an 8:52 performance at Nike Outdoor Nationals. But this episode isn't really about the medals or the times. Andrew opens up about the mindset that's changed the way he races. We talk about Josh Kerr's chase for the mile world record, what "running free" actually means, and why letting go of pressure has helped him become a better competitor. He also shares his pre-race routine, why he's thrown up before some of his best races, and how he balances preparation with trusting his instincts when the gun goes off. We also rewind to where it all started. Growing up in Mississippi, competing against his brother, making the switch from baseball and football to distance running, and slowly realizing he could be one of the best runners in the state. Along the way, we dive into training camps, racing the nation's best, recovering from overtraining, and the lessons that came with each step forward. It's a conversation about confidence, patience, and finding joy in the process. Whether you're chasing a PR or simply trying to enjoy the sport a little more, there's something here you'll carry into your next run. Tap into the Andrew Brown Special.

In 2026, Oak Knoll School's Reagan Moore cemented herself as one of the premier 800-meter runners in the United States. The rising senior from Summit, New Jersey claimed her second national title this June, running wire-to-wire to win the New Balance Nationals Outdoor 800 meters in 2:05.00 at Franklin Field. It was a different kind of victory than the one that first put her on the national stage. Just a year earlier, Moore produced one of the most memorable finishes of the indoor season. Sitting 10th at the halfway mark of the Nike Indoor Nationals final, she trusted her race, closed her final 200 meters in 29.68 seconds, and stormed to the national title in 2:05.05. Her sophomore season also produced a New Jersey Meet of Champions record of 2:04.80, the third-fastest indoor 800-meter performance in state history behind only Athing Mu and Ajee Wilson. Since then, she has added three NJSIAA Meet of Champions titles to her résumé while establishing herself as one of the country's most consistent championship racers. The journey wasn't without difficult decisions. Following an outdoor season she knew could be better, Moore stepped away from soccer, a sport she had played since Pre-K, to run cross country for the first time and build the aerobic foundation she believed was missing. Just weeks before winning her second national championship, she also finished third at the New Jersey Meet of Champions, proving that one race never defines an athlete. In this conversation, Reagan reflects on the contrast between leading from the front and chasing from behind, the mindset required to trust a long-term process, and the courage it takes to leave comfort in pursuit of something greater. It's an episode about patience, conviction, and becoming a student of the sport. Tap into the Reagan Moore Special. If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following The Sunday Shakeout on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leaving a five-star review. I would also appreciate it if you shared this episode with a friend who you think would benefit from it.

In 2025, Coeur d'Alene High's Wyatt Carr stepped into a new role. The team's longtime leaders had graduated, and the responsibility of carrying one of the nation's premier distance programs now rested on his shoulders. The Idaho standout responded with the best cross country season of his career. At the Idaho 6A State Championships, Carr ran 14:31.3 to finish runner-up while breaking a course record that had stood since 2022, leading Coeur d'Alene to a third consecutive state title. Weeks later, Carr placed eighth at the Nike Cross Northwest Regional in 14:48.7. Although the Vikings narrowly missed a return trip to Nike Cross Nationals, the disappointment became fuel rather than a defining moment. His momentum carried into the spring, where he captured the Idaho 6A state championship in the 3200 meters in 9:12.27 and helped Coeur d'Alene set a school record in the 4x800-meter relay, completing a remarkable turnaround after an SI joint injury had disrupted his sophomore track season. In this episode, Wyatt reflects on the lessons hidden within an unforgettable year. We discuss why championship teams are built during ordinary summer training, how focusing on the fundamentals creates long-term success, why injury became one of the greatest catalysts for his growth, and how Coeur d'Alene's culture remained strong after falling short of its biggest team goal. He also shares the value of training in groups, simulating race scenarios, and embracing the daily process instead of chasing outcomes. As he enters his senior year, Carr is no longer simply one of Idaho's top runners. He has become the leader of a program built on consistency, resilience, and the belief that the biggest breakthroughs are earned long before race day. Tap into the Wyatt Carr Special. If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following The Sunday Shakeout on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leaving a five-star review. I would also appreciate it if you shared this episode with someone who you think will benefit from it.

In 2026, Ballard High School’s Cassidy Armstrong closed out her career as one of Washington’s defining distance runners. In late May, she delivered the defining performance of her high school career at the WIAA 3A State Championships, winning the 3200m in 10:13.69 to secure her first state title and complete an undefeated regular season campaign. Just weeks later, she went toe-to-toe with some of the best high schoolers in the nation, capping off her high school career with personal record runs at Brooks PR and Nike Outdoor Nationals. Across it all, Cassidy’s progression carried a quiet continuity. A junior year lost to a hip stress fracture forced months of rebuilding, stripping the sport down to patience, routine, and belief without results. What followed was a return that forced a different way of thinking. Less forcing things. More patience than she probably wanted at the time. It’s one of those experiences that doesn’t feel meaningful while it’s happening, but quietly rewires how you operate afterward. We also get into something a lot of athletes run into but don’t always say out loud: expectations don’t disappear when you start winning. They just change shape. And sometimes that makes it harder, not easier, to feel satisfied. Now she’s heading to Duke, where everything shifts again—fewer races, higher stakes, less room to just “figure it out on race day.” It becomes more about precision than volume. More about choosing moments instead of collecting them. And the real thread through all of it is simple: what happens when the version of you you were chasing finally shows up… and you still want more? Tap into The Sunday Shakeout . If you enjoy the podcast, follow on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a five-star review.

She'd never raced a track meet before her junior year. Eighteen months later, she was standing among the fastest high school middle-distance runners in America. The Ursuline School graduate and future UNC Tar Heel didn't grow up in the sport. Her athletic foundation came through swimming, gymnastics, and years of soccer, where speed was always her greatest weapon. When she finally gave track a chance during the winter of her junior year, she entered a world that was completely unfamiliar. One built on patience, accountability, and quiet confidence. Her breakthrough came quickly. In her first outdoor season, Hickey captured both the New York State and Federation 800-meter titles before running 2:03.61 to finish fourth at New Balance Outdoor Nationals. The performance broke the Ursuline school record and moved her to No. 3 all-time in New York State history. She carried that momentum indoors, clocking 1:28.68 for 600 meters at the Molloy Stanner Games before lowering it to 1:27.14 at the New York State Championships. Winning by nearly four seconds, she became the fourth-fastest U.S. high school girl ever in the event. But the numbers only tell part of the story. In this episode, Jane reflects on what it felt like walking into her very first track practice after years in soccer, learning to race athletes who had spent their entire lives in the sport, and slowly replacing imposter syndrome with belief. We talk about the workouts that shaped her, why she thrives in the 400 and 800 meters, the surprising culture of track compared to soccer, and how choosing joy over pressure allowed her to improve faster than she ever imagined. As recruiting accelerated and expectations grew, Jane never lost sight of what made running meaningful in the first place. She shares why she chose North Carolina, how she balances elite athletics with academics, and why authenticity, strong relationships, and enjoying the process matter far more than chasing the next result. If you enjoy this episode of The Sunday Shakeout , please follow the show on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. Leaving a five-star review and sharing the podcast with a friend is one of the best ways to help us continue telling the stories behind the sport.

In 2026, Indiana watched a barrier fall that had stood for generations. Noah Bontrager was the one who broke it. The Indiana standout, who is headed to Notre Dame this fall, capped off his indoor season by becoming the first Indiana high school boy to break four minutes in the mile, clocking 3:59.48 at New Balance Indoor Nationals to rank seventh all-time in U.S. high school indoor history. His momentum carried into the spring, where he ran 8:41.28 for 3200 meters at the Carmel Showcase before sweeping the Indiana state championships in record-breaking fashion. Just 90 minutes apart, Bontrager won the 1600 meters in 4:01.83 and the 3200 meters in 8:47.57, rewriting the meet record books in both events. Days later, he arrived at Hayward Field with one opportunity to earn a Team USA jersey. Bontrager delivered, winning the USATF U20 3000-meter title in 8:32.53 behind a blistering 54.68 final lap to secure his place at the World U20 Championships. But Noah's story stretches far beyond the stopwatch. Growing up in a town of just 700 people, attending a 343-student high school surrounded by farmland, and coming from a family rooted in faith, humility, and hard work, he has quietly built one of the most decorated careers in Indiana distance running history. His senior year also included heartbreak. After losing the Indiana cross country state championship by just 0.02 seconds and battling illness at Brooks Nationals, he returned with perspective instead of frustration, turning disappointment into the greatest season of his career. As he prepares to begin the next chapter at Notre Dame, Noah's journey is a reminder that greatness is rarely built overnight. It's built through consistency, conviction, and showing up long after the spotlight has moved on. Tap into the Noah Bontrager Special. If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following The Sunday Shakeout on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review. I would also appreciate it if you shared this episode with someone who loves the sport as much as you do.

Just over a year ago, Abigail Hennessy wasn't sure she'd race again. Today, the Westford Academy graduated senior owns three Massachusetts state records and has cemented herself as one of the premier high school distance runners in the United States. After returning from a two-week hospitalization and months away from competition, Hennessy stunned the country by running a then-personal best of 4:42 in the mile at New Balance Indoor Nationals on limited training. It was only the beginning. This past indoor season, she ran 4:36.74 to finish runner-up at New Balance Indoor Nationals while breaking a Massachusetts state record that had stood for 48 years, previously held by the legendary Lynn Jennings. She also clocked 9:02.77 for 3,000 meters at the BU Valentine Invitational, the third-fastest indoor performance in high school history. Her momentum continued outdoors. Hennessy lowered her own state record to 4:33.18 in the mile at New Balance Nationals Outdoor, finishing second in the nation. She also ran 9:50.72 for two miles to break another Massachusetts state record and helped Westford Academy's distance medley relay finish second nationally while setting a new state record. The accolades followed naturally. Hennessy is now a 9-time Massachusetts All-State Champion, a 7-time All-American, and one of the most accomplished female distance runners her state has ever produced. But this episode isn't about records. It's about rebuilding after RED-S. It's about redefining your relationship with training. It's about learning that longevity matters more than short-term success and discovering that your greatest strength isn't found in higher mileage, but in trusting your body again. From breaking one of the oldest records in Massachusetts history to finding joy in the sport after nearly losing it, Abby's story is a reminder that the performances everyone sees are often built on battles no one else does. Tap into the Abigail Hennessy Special. If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you shared it with a friend who you think would benefit from it.

Over three years ago, I started this show as a casual basement passion project. Now, The Sunday Shakeout has grown to be one of the top high school running podcasts in the nation. Unbelievable. A podcast, however, is only as good as its support system. It's impossible to express, in words, how truly grateful I am for all of my friends, family, coaches, teammates, and every single guest and listener. This show would not exist if it weren't for all the support, and I don't take that for granted. "Passion" is an understatement. I have an undying devotion and obsession for this sport that continues to grow each day. I am so incredibly blessed to be able to share my love and joy on a weekly basis, and to reach thousands of people from all over the world. This podcast has gifted me so many wonderful connections, and through each conversation I share, I've increasingly come to know the grandeur and humanity of our sport. Every guest I sit down with is much more than just an athlete; they are all incredible individuals, each beautifully shaped by their unique experiences, perspectives, and attitudes. The exceptional stories that every person shares, at least for me, make covering running so meaningful and worthwhile. It's all about storytelling, and through each episode, my mission has always been to understand not only our sport, but, more importantly, our human nature and the world around us. Because ultimately, running has always been more than an athletic pursuit. Running has deeply shaped me in ways that transcend any performance or stat line. In fact, lately, I've found myself thinking that my journey has never fundamentally been about running itself. Rather, running has been a metaphor for something greater: learning how to meet challenges and the people around me, and, above all, learning how to live a meaningful life. While living that out has never been easy, I've learned to accept not having all the answers... while still continually searching for them. The whole point is the search. Very simply, this podcast has allowed me to grow closer to the version of myself I was born to become. Love y'all so much!!

Some athletes make headlines with their times. Others make you pay attention because of the story behind them. Elise Corr is quickly becoming both. The Seattle Prep standout claimed both the Metro League and District titles in the 1600 meters, then delivered the race of her season with a 4:55 to break a 26-year-old school record. She added a seventh-place finish at the WIAA Cross Country State Championships in the fall, another seventh-place finish in the 3200m at the WIAA State Track & Field Championships this spring, and now turns her attention to Nike Outdoor Nationals, where she'll line up against some of the nation's best. But the stopwatch is only part of the story. Behind every breakthrough is her mom and coach, Aimee Corr, a former Wisconsin state cross country champion and Division I runner who has guided Elise every step of the way. Together, they've navigated the unique challenge of separating family from competition while building one of the state's brightest young distance runners. Just as important to Elise is the culture she's helped create at Seattle Prep. She believes the best teams are built long before championship races, through everyday conversations, shared workouts, and teammates who make each other better. It's a perspective that reveals a maturity beyond her years. This conversation explores the relationship between athlete and coach, daughter and mother, what it means to lead within a team, and why chasing excellence is about so much more than running fast. As Elise continues her rise onto the national stage, one thing is becoming increasingly clear. Her best races are still ahead. Tap into the Elise Corr Special. If you enjoy The Sunday Shakeout , please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts, leaving a five-star review, and sharing the show with someone who loves the sport.

Before the podium finishes. Before the national meets. Before the breakthrough performances. There was just a kid who loved to run. Tahoma High School's Carson Stafford has been chasing that feeling since he was five years old. Now entering his junior year, the Tahoma standout has quietly developed into one of the top young distance runners in Washington State. This past May, Carson established himself among Washington's elite. At the 4A WIAA State Championships, he placed 3rd in the 3200m with a breakthrough 8:57 and added a 9th-place finish in the 1600m. That said, his success didn't come without adversity. An ankle injury before the 2025 cross country postseason sidelined him at the moment he had spent months preparing for. Instead of allowing the setback to define him, Stafford used it as motivation, returning stronger and more focused during track season. What separates Carson isn't just the times. He describes himself as a student of the game. He studies races. He thinks deeply about training. He understands that long-term development matters more than one result, one season, or one headline. That mindset has allowed him to steadily climb from promising young runner to state medalist. In this episode, we discuss his journey from Spokane to Tahoma, his state meet breakthrough, competing on the national stage, navigating injury, and the lessons he's learned from a lifetime in the sport. We also dive into what comes next as he prepares for a pivotal junior year. With two seasons remaining and a foundation built on patience, consistency, and genuine love for running, Carson Stafford's story is still being written. Tap into the Carson Stafford Special. If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with a friend who you think will benefit from it.

15 state titles. A national championship relay. And a runner determined to prove that Washington, DC deserves a place in the national conversation. This week on The Sunday Shakeout, I sat down with Georgetown Visitation rising senior Abby Anstett. The Vienna, Virginia native has quietly built one of the most accomplished resumes in high school distance running. Competing for Georgetown Visitation in Washington, DC, Anstett has become a 15-time DC State Champion while helping elevate a region that often goes overlooked on the national stage. Her 2026 indoor season was a breakthrough. At Nike Indoor Nationals, Anstett placed third in the Championship Mile against one of the deepest fields in the country. Later that same day, she returned to lead Georgetown Visitation's 4x800-meter relay to a national title, one of the defining moments of her career. What makes Anstett's story especially unique is where it has unfolded. Unlike many elite programs across the country, Georgetown Visitation does not have its own track. Training in the heart of Washington, DC has required creativity, adaptability, and a willingness to embrace limitations that many athletes never face. In this conversation, we dive into why Abby believes DC track and field remains one of the most underappreciated regions in the country. We discuss what it means to carry the expectations that come with being a perennial state champion, how she learned to become a racer rather than simply a runner. More than anything, this episode is about perspective. It's about maximizing what you have, representing something bigger than yourself, and finding ways to grow even when you're already winning. Tap into the Abby Anstett Special. If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following The Sunday Shakeout on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review. I would also appreciate it if you shared it with a friend who you think would benefit from it.

This week on the podcast, in addition to a guest interview, is a special episode with my best friend and teammate on the Seattle Prep Boys Cross-Country Team. Nash Howard is a rising senior on the team, along with myself. This episode is very unserious and light-hearted. We discuss cross-country, pro runners in relation to Michael Jackson songs, and other nonsensical topics. I hope you enjoy this episode of The Sunday Shakeout. If you found value or meaning, please consider leaving a follow and a five-star review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify.

In 2026, Barrington High School's Mia Sirois cemented herself as one of the premier distance runners in the nation. The Illinois standout opened her year by winning the indoor national title in the 5,000 meters before carrying that momentum into the outdoor season. Already known as one of the country's top young talents, she continued to raise the standard with every race. At the IHSA State Championships, Sirois defended her Class 3A title in the 3200 meters, running 9:44 and setting a new Illinois state meet record. She also added another state title to her resume, further solidifying her place among the most accomplished runners in state history. Her success didn't stop there. Just weeks later, she lined up against some of the nation's best at Brooks PR and finished second in the 3200 meters. With personal bests of 4:46 for 1600 meters, 9:44 for 3200 meters, and 15:58 for 5K, Sirois has established herself as one of the top distance runners in the Class of 2027. But behind the records and championships is a story of resilience. Last summer, a trail running accident resulted in a fractured ankle and heel, sidelining her from consistent running for nearly five months. The setback forced her to step away from the sport she loved and challenged her perspective in ways success never could. In this conversation, we dive into the race that changed her confidence forever: a sixth-place finish at Nike Cross Nationals during her sophomore season. We discuss the pressure of becoming the athlete everyone is chasing, what injury taught her about gratitude, and how losing running helped her appreciate the sport more than ever before. As she prepares for U20 Championships and New Balance Nationals, Sirois continues to chase new goals while holding tightly to the perspective that has shaped her journey. Tap into the Mia Sirois Special. If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following The Sunday Shakeout on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review. I would also appreciate it if you shared this episode with a friend, teammate, or runner who could benefit from Mia's story.

As a freshman, Kingston Shillito ran 20 miles to prove a point. Not because his coaches told him to. Not because it was on the training plan. Just because he wanted to show he could do it. That story tells you a lot about who Kingston is. The Franklin High School senior has quietly developed into one of the top distance runners in Washington. This spring, he captured the WIAA 3A State Championship in the 3200 meters and established himself as one of the state's most dangerous racers. His résumé speaks for itself. A 4:07 personal best in the 1600 meters. A 9:00 personal best in the 3200. A 14:32 cross country 5K. Earlier this season, he won the Liberty Twilight 1600 meters in 4:10.82 against one of the deepest fields in the Northwest. When races get tactical, he's even more dangerous. His 56-second closing speed has become a weapon. In this episode, we talk about the legendary 20-mile freshman long run, winning a state title, racing strategy, closing speed, training in Seattle, the culture at Franklin, and why the stories people carry often matter more than the times they run. It's a conversation filled with laughs, lessons, and the kind of moments that remind you why running is about more than results. Tap into the Kingston Shillito Special. If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following The Sunday Shakeout on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leaving a five-star review. I would also appreciate it if you shared it with a friend who you think would benefit from it.