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Jon Murray, founder of Noko and Kase in East Nashville, joins Tim on Niver Niver Land for a conversation about what it actually takes to build restaurants around people first. Before Noko was ever a restaurant, Jon and his partners were already asking a deeper question: how do we take care of the people who make this industry work? In the wake of COVID, burnout, and the mass exodus from hospitality, they sat down and started naming what was broken, from paid time off to sustainability to the basic question of whether restaurant work could become emotionally and financially healthier. Tim and Jon talk about the early formation of Noko, the influence of Jon’s time with Indigo Road, and the decision to build an employee-first company from the beginning. Jon explains how investing in people, through travel stipends, paid time off, health benefits, gym memberships, four-day workweeks, and more, became not just a values statement, but a business model. They also get into trust, vulnerability, forgiveness, leadership, and the daily work of keeping a restaurant culture alive. Jon talks about why managers matter, why staff check-ins should be about more than work, and why taking care of employees is the clearest path to taking care of guests. This is a conversation about hospitality after burnout, the responsibility of ownership, and the possibility of building restaurants that are not only successful, but better for the people inside them. This episode of Niver Niver Land is presented by Land O’Lakes and supported by 36 Lyn Refuel Station in Minneapolis. -- NiverNiverLand's flagship sponsor is Land O’Lakes Foodservice. You might be familiar with Land O'Lakes Butter and cheese in the grocery aisle, but did you know they also sell dairy products specifically developed for use in foodservice kitchens? If you're a chef or operator in the industry, check out their offerings like Extra Melt® cheese sauces, shreds, and loaves - providing creamy, melty, crave-able appeal for your menu from smashburgers to baked mac and cheese to signature queso…and so much more. Farmer-owned since 1921, choosing Land O'Lakes® products for your kitchen helps support more than 1,000 Land O’Lakes farmer-owners. https://www.landolakesfoodservice.com/

Chef and Dario founder Joe Rolle joins Tim on Niver Niver Land for a raw, funny, and deeply personal conversation about food, survival, craft, and what it takes to keep a restaurant alive. Joe traces the path from growing up as a punk rock and skateboarding kid in a small town, working brutal days in his father’s logging business, struggling through school, addiction, ADHD, dyslexia, and eventually finding his way into kitchens. What started as a search for direction became a life in restaurants, from his first job at Palomino to formative years cooking in Minneapolis kitchens and learning from people who helped him catch the bug. Tim and Joe talk about the mentors, memories, and hard lessons that shaped him, including the dinner table as a safe place growing up, the value of being seen by even one person, and how the fight in him has changed over time. These days, Joe says he fights for his daughter, his employees, Dario, and restaurants themselves. They also dig into what Dario is really trying to be: a handmade pasta-focused restaurant built on personal cooking, deep technique, loud rooms, high standards, and the desire to give guests a place to forget about the outside world for a while. Joe talks through the reality behind the plate, from sauces and stocks to handmade pasta, perception of value, and the invisible labor guests do not always see. The conversation eventually lands on the harder truth of operating right now: slow months, public vulnerability, payroll pressure, downtown/North Loop uncertainty, and what it means to ask people to show up before it is too late. Joe is honest about the humility of that moment, the responsibility of keeping people employed, and the belief that if we want independent restaurants to survive, we have to support them while they are still here. This is a conversation about growing up, finding your craft, building something personal, and continuing to fight for the places that make a city feel alive. This episode of Niver Niver Land is presented by Land O’Lakes and supported by 36 Lyn Refuel Station in Minneapolis. -- NiverNiverLand's flagship sponsor is Land O’Lakes Foodservice. You might be familiar with Land O'Lakes Butter and cheese in the grocery aisle, but did you know they also sell dairy products specifically developed for use in foodservice kitchens? If you're a chef or operator in the industry, check out their offerings like Extra Melt® cheese sauces, shreds, and loaves - providing creamy, melty, crave-able appeal for your menu from smashburgers to baked mac and cheese to signature queso…and so much more. Farmer-owned since 1921, choosing Land O'Lakes® products for your kitchen helps support more than 1,000 Land O’Lakes farmer-owners. https://www.landolakesfoodservice.com/

Chef, author, restaurateur, and MAJC co-founder Matt Jennings joins Tim on Niver Niver Land for a wide-ranging conversation about what it really means to grow, fail, rebuild, and keep serving the hospitality industry in a new way. Matt’s career has taken him from acclaimed restaurants like Farmstead in Providence and Townsman in Boston to writing, consulting, coaching, and now to building MAJC , a hospitality platform focused on culture, hiring, retention, and training, and on helping restaurants better support their people. In this episode, Tim and Matt talk about restaurant closures, ego, addiction, recovery, mentorship, marriage, leadership, and the hard lessons that come from chasing success before you fully understand the business behind it. They also dig into one of the biggest questions facing hospitality today: how do we stop burning people out and start building restaurants that actually help people grow? This is a conversation about second chapters, better systems, and the people who make restaurants work. This episode of Niver Niver Land is presented by Land O’Lakes and supported by 36 Lyn Refuel Station in Minneapolis. -- NiverNiverLand's flagship sponsor is Land O’Lakes Foodservice. You might be familiar with Land O'Lakes Butter and cheese in the grocery aisle, but did you know they also sell dairy products specifically developed for use in foodservice kitchens? If you're a chef or operator in the industry, check out their offerings like Extra Melt® cheese sauces, shreds, and loaves - providing creamy, melty, crave-able appeal for your menu from smashburgers to baked mac and cheese to signature queso…and so much more. Farmer-owned since 1921, choosing Land O'Lakes® products for your kitchen helps support more than 1,000 Land O’Lakes farmer-owners. https://www.landolakesfoodservice.com/

This week on Niver Niver Land , we sit down with Amari Collins , also known as Vin Dealer, a wine personality and cultural force helping reshape how people experience wine. Through humor, energy, and complete authenticity, Amari has built a platform that challenges the traditional gatekeeping of wine culture and replaces it with something far more human. In this conversation, we talk about wine as identity, breaking down exclusivity, building community through hospitality, and why people are craving experiences that feel real again. From viral wine videos to Swirl School and live events, Amari is creating a new kind of space around food and beverage, one that’s rooted in joy, connection, and self-expression. This episode of Niver Niver Land is presented by Land O’Lakes and supported by 36 Lyn Refuel Station in Minneapolis. -- NiverNiverLand's flagship sponsor is Land O’Lakes Foodservice. You might be familiar with Land O'Lakes Butter and cheese in the grocery aisle, but did you know they also sell dairy products specifically developed for use in foodservice kitchens? If you're a chef or operator in the industry, check out their offerings like Extra Melt® cheese sauces, shreds, and loaves - providing creamy, melty, crave-able appeal for your menu from smashburgers to baked mac and cheese to signature queso…and so much more. Farmer-owned since 1921, choosing Land O'Lakes® products for your kitchen helps support more than 1,000 Land O’Lakes farmer-owners. https://www.landolakesfoodservice.com/

Brandon Hoy, co-founder of Roberta’s Pizza , joins Tim on this episode of Niver Niver Land after discovering a clip of Tim talking about how different (and more difficult) the restaurant industry feels today compared to a decade ago. That moment sparked a deeper conversation. In this episode, Tim and Brandon talk about: what it actually takes to run a restaurant right now how trends and consumer behavior have shifted the mindset required to stay in the game long-term restaurants as product vs. restaurants as art why a restaurant should be treated more like a child that needs guidance than a machine and the importance of learning not to martyr ourselves in this industry This is a grounded, honest conversation between two operators who have lived the highs, the lows, and everything in between. -- NiverNiverLand is sponsored by Land O’Lakes Foodservice. You might be familiar with Land O'Lakes Butter and cheese in the grocery aisle, but did you know they also sell dairy products specifically developed for use in foodservice kitchens? If you're a chef or operator in the industry, check out their offerings like Extra Melt® cheese sauces, shreds, and loaves - providing creamy, melty, crave-able appeal for your menu from smashburgers to baked mac and cheese to signature queso…and so much more. Farmer-owned since 1921, choosing Land O'Lakes® products for your kitchen helps support more than 1,000 Land O’Lakes farmer-owners. https://www.landolakesfoodservice.com/

Chef-owner Abe Gessesse of Hyacinth in St. Paul joins Tim on this episode of Niver Niver Land for a conversation about what it really takes to run a restaurant today. Abe took over Hyacinth in 2023, having been the first-line cook hired when the restaurant opened in 2018 , eventually becoming its chef-owner and earning a James Beard semifinalist nomination shortly after taking the reins. In this episode, Tim and Abe talk about the realities behind restaurant ownership, including: the different phases every restaurant goes through how outside forces can suddenly reshape the business the massive hit Twin Cities restaurants took during the recent ICE raids the emotional and financial weight of ownership and what actually makes a restaurant good enough to survive long-term Hyacinth is a tiny neighborhood restaurant known for its Italian-leaning menu and highly personal service, where guests can often see the kitchen at work and feel closely connected to the people making their food. For Abe and Tim, this conversation isn’t theoretical. It’s the lived reality of running restaurants in a city that’s constantly evolving. If you’ve ever wondered what restaurant owners are really thinking behind the scenes, this one goes deep. -- NiverNiverLand is sponsored by Land O’Lakes Foodservice. You might be familiar with Land O'Lakes Butter and cheese in the grocery aisle, but did you know they also sell dairy products specifically developed for use in foodservice kitchens? If you're a chef or operator in the industry, check out their offerings like Extra Melt® cheese sauces, shreds, and loaves - providing creamy, melty, crave-able appeal for your menu from smashburgers to baked mac and cheese to signature queso…and so much more. Farmer-owned since 1921, choosing Land O'Lakes® products for your kitchen helps support more than 1,000 Land O’Lakes farmer-owners. https://www.landolakesfoodservice.com/

We bring this episode to you today with a heavy heart. Following the tragic killing of Renee Good by ICE officers and the subsequent unrest unfolding across Minneapolis and the country, we debated whether now was the time to share this. We chose to move forward because hospitality is, at its core, the story of our community. To understand where our city is going, we have to look at the spaces where we’ve gathered, worked, and lived for the last thirty years. This is a reflection of the social and cultural shifts in the United States, seen through the lens of the dining room. And so in this episode, we’re out of the Mucci's studio and on the street. I take ya'll on a site-by-site tour of my career, discussing how the industry has transformed over the last few decades. The Stops on the Tour: The Hyatt Regency & Aquavit: Where the foundation was laid. Town Talk Diner: The spark of a Minneapolis institution. The Strip Club Meat and Fish: A legendary run in Dayton's Bluff. Saint Dinette: Defining the modern Lowertown vibe. Mucci’s (St. Paul): The final stop and the current pulse of my work. Along the way, I talk all about the changing tastes of the Twin Cities, what it really takes to survive three decades in the restaurant business, and what could be next for the industry. -- NiverNiverLand is sponsored by Land O’Lakes Foodservice. You might be familiar with Land O'Lakes Butter and cheese in the grocery aisle, but did you know they also sell dairy products specifically developed for use in foodservice kitchens? If you're a chef or operator in the industry, check out their offerings like Extra Melt® cheese sauces, shreds, and loaves - providing creamy, melty, crave-able appeal for your menu from smashburgers to baked mac and cheese to signature queso…and so much more. Farmer-owned since 1921, choosing Land O'Lakes® products for your kitchen helps support more than 1,000 Land O’Lakes farmer-owners. https://www.landolakesfoodservice.com/

This episode of Niver Niver Land features a high-energy live recording from the Falling Knife Brewing Company taproom, where host Tim Niver sits down with the duo behind the Wrecktangle Pizza empire: Jeff Rogers and Breanna Evans . Recorded in December 2025, the conversation dives into the messy, beautiful, and often hilarious reality of running a rapidly expanding restaurant group while maintaining a partnership. From their rise from food hall startup to national acclaim on Good Morning America , Jeff and Breanna share what it’s actually like to navigate the "massive change" of today's hospitality industry. In this episode, we explore: The Partnership Dynamic: How Jeff (Chef/Owner) and Breanna (COO and "Sunshine Director") balance business growth with their personal lives. The "Wrecktangle" Rise: Navigating the shift from a niche Detroit-style pizza pop-up to a multi-location powerhouse. Industry Realities: A candid look at the challenges of modern restaurant operations, including the recent closure of Wrestaurant at the Palace and what "exiting" really feels like. Live Q&A: The team takes questions from the Falling Knife crowd, covering everything from flavor profiles to the importance of community and "beer and a bump" culture. -- NiverNiverLand is sponsored by Land O’Lakes Foodservice. You might be familiar with Land O'Lakes Butter and cheese in the grocery aisle, but did you know they also sell dairy products specifically developed for use in foodservice kitchens? If you're a chef or operator in the industry, check out their offerings like Extra Melt® cheese sauces, shreds, and loaves - providing creamy, melty, crave-able appeal for your menu from smashburgers to baked mac and cheese to signature queso…and so much more. Farmer-owned since 1921, choosing Land O'Lakes® products for your kitchen helps support more than 1,000 Land O’Lakes farmer-owners. https://www.landolakesfoodservice.com/

NiverNiverLand is sponsored by Land O’Lakes Foodservice. You might be familiar with Land O'Lakes Butter and cheese in the grocery aisle, but did you know they also sell dairy products specifically developed for use in foodservice kitchens? If you're a chef or operator in the industry, check out their offerings like Extra Melt® cheese sauces, shreds, and loaves - providing creamy, melty, crave-able appeal for your menu from smashburgers to baked mac and cheese to signature queso…and so much more. Farmer-owned since 1921, choosing Land O'Lakes® products for your kitchen helps support more than 1,000 Land O’Lakes farmer-owners. https://www.landolakesfoodservice.com/

NiverNiverLand is sponsored by Land O’Lakes Foodservice. You might be familiar with Land O'Lakes Butter and cheese in the grocery aisle, but did you know they also sell dairy products specifically developed for use in foodservice kitchens? If you're a chef or operator in the industry, check out their offerings like Extra Melt® cheese sauces, shreds, and loaves - providing creamy, melty, crave-able appeal for your menu from smashburgers to baked mac and cheese to signature queso…and so much more. Farmer-owned since 1921, choosing Land O'Lakes® products for your kitchen helps support more than 1,000 Land O’Lakes farmer-owners. https://www.landolakesfoodservice.com/

Ed Porter is a creative storyteller who moves fluidly between the worlds of food, music, and media. Born in Mount Vernon and raised in The Bronx, Ed’s journey took him from the kitchens of acclaimed restaurants like Aquavit, Café Beulah, and Sweet Ophelia’s to the screen, where he appeared on Guy’s Grocery Games (Food Network) and Netflix’s Pressure Cooker . He trained at the Culinary Institute of America , but his foundation was built earlier: in music. That early passion still informs his perspective on the world. For Ed, creativity is a language that transcends medium—and storytelling is the vehicle. In this episode, we talk about: – the parallels between food and music – the limits of traditional fine dining – how he embraces the modern concept of "personal brand" – and why he’s more interested in storytelling than prestige It’s a conversation that sits at the intersection of flavor, feeling, and philosophy.

Yo, fam! Peter Bian and Linda Cao, the founders of Saturday Dumpling Co., join us on Niver Niver Land to unpack their journey: from making frozen dumplings during the pandemic to opening their first restaurant in Northeast Minneapolis and expanding into food halls. They share how family recipes, creative risks, and community values shape every dumpling, rice bowl, and new menu idea. This episode is all about hope, grit, and what it means to build something meaningful in the hospitality industry. -- NiverNiverLand is sponsored by Land O’Lakes Foodservice. You might be familiar with Land O'Lakes Butter and cheese in the grocery aisle, but did you know they also sell dairy products specifically developed for use in foodservice kitchens? If you're a chef or operator in the industry, check out their offerings like Extra Melt® cheese sauces, shreds, and loaves - providing creamy, melty, crave-able appeal for your menu from smashburgers to baked mac and cheese to signature queso…and so much more. Farmer-owned since 1921, choosing Land O'Lakes® products for your kitchen helps support more than 1,000 Land O’Lakes farmer-owners. https://www.landolakesfoodservice.com/

Presented by Land O'Lakes Foodservice - What up, fam?? Jonathan Janssen, General Manager and Partner at Vinai, joins me to share what it’s been like to run one of America’s top new restaurants. From The New York Times to James Beard, Vinai’s ascent has been swift, yet for Jonathan, the heart of the job remains in the day-to-day: creating a space that honors Hmong heritage, leading a team in the spotlight, and keeping hospitality human at every table. -- NiverNiverLand is sponsored by Land O’Lakes Foodservice. You might be familiar with Land O'Lakes Butter and cheese in the grocery aisle, but did you know they also sell dairy products specifically developed for use in foodservice kitchens? If you're a chef or operator in the industry, check out their offerings like Extra Melt® cheese sauces, shreds, and loaves - providing creamy, melty, crave-able appeal for your menu from smashburgers to baked mac and cheese to signature queso…and so much more. Farmer-owned since 1921, choosing Land O'Lakes® products for your kitchen helps support more than 1,000 Land O’Lakes farmer-owners. https://www.landolakesfoodservice.com/

Presented by Land O'Lakes Foodservice - What up, fam! Jason Hansen and Peter Sebastian join us to trace their restaurant journey, from the cozy Southern European soul of Estelle, to the retro-sandwich comfort of Mario’s, and now Liliana, a modern Italian pasta bar in Woodbury. They share how they balance culinary ambition with community vibes, and why their newest joint feels both familiar and fresh. -- NiverNiverLand is sponsored by Land O’Lakes Foodservice. You might be familiar with Land O'Lakes Butter and cheese in the grocery aisle, but did you know they also sell dairy products specifically developed for use in foodservice kitchens? If you're a chef or operator in the industry, check out their offerings like Extra Melt® cheese sauces, shreds, and loaves - providing creamy, melty, crave-able appeal for your menu from smashburgers to baked mac and cheese to signature queso…and so much more. Farmer-owned since 1921, choosing Land O'Lakes® products for your kitchen helps support more than 1,000 Land O’Lakes farmer-owners. https://www.landolakesfoodservice.com/

Presented by Land O'Lakes Foodservice - Hey fam! Today’s guest needs no introduction — but we’re going to give him one anyway. Marcus Samuelsson is one of the most celebrated chefs on the planet. Dozens of restaurants, books, shows, and cultural moments. But behind all that success is someone who cares deeply about food, people, and the stories that connect them. This week on Niver Niver Land , I sat down with Marcus for a conversation that goes far beyond the kitchen. We talked about what it means to build restaurants that reflect community, and how joy, generosity, and grit show up in his work. -- NiverNiverLand is sponsored by Land O’Lakes. You might be familiar with Land O'Lakes Butter and cheese in the grocery aisle, but did you know they also sell dairy products developed to perform in foodservice kitchens? If you're a chef or operator in the industry, check out their offerings like Extra Melt® cheese sauces, shreds, and loaves - providing creamy, melty, crave-able appeal for your menu from smashburgers to baked mac and cheese to signature queso…and so much more. Farmer-owned since 1921, choosing Land O'Lakes® products for your kitchen helps support more than 1,000 Land O’Lakes farmer-owners. https://www.landolakesfoodservice.com/

Presented by Land O'Lakes Foodservice -- Chef Diane Moua built her reputation as one of the Twin Cities’ most respected pastry chefs. Now, with her own restaurant — Diane’s Place in Northeast Minneapolis — she’s blending Hmong tradition, fine-dining experience, and personal history into something entirely new. In this episode, Tim sits down with Diane and General Manager Heather Ann Mady to talk about the heart behind the food, the story behind the space, and the messy beauty of opening a restaurant that actually means something. They cover everything from mentorship and identity to managing chaos, caring for staff, and what it takes to make people feel seen the moment they walk through the door. If you’ve ever worked in hospitality — or just love places where food and soul meet — this one’s for you. -- NiverNiverLand is sponsored by Land O’Lakes. You might be familiar with Land O'Lakes Butter and cheese in the grocery aisle, but did you know they also sell dairy products developed to perform in foodservice kitchens? If you're a chef or operator in the industry, check out their offerings like Extra Melt® cheese sauces, shreds, and loaves - providing creamy, melty, crave-able appeal for your menu from smashburgers to baked mac and cheese to signature queso…and so much more. Farmer-owned since 1921, choosing Land O'Lakes® products for your kitchen helps support more than 1,000 Land O’Lakes farmer-owners. https://www.landolakesfoodservice.com/

I have a Substack now! This is a great place to keep up to date on the show, what I'm doing, and where I'm eating. Click here to subscribe . -- Hey, ya'll! A new season of Niver is finally here. We're kicking this one off with my parents, the source code for everything I've done in my life. The food is from ma, the hospitality is from pa. This is a special one, and I'm glad you're able to share this moment with me. Enjoy, and welcome to a new season of Niver! -- NiverNiverLand is sponsored by Land O’Lakes. You might be familiar with Land O'Lakes Butter and cheese in the grocery aisle, but did you know they also sell dairy products developed to perform in foodservice kitchens? If you're a chef or operator in the industry, check out their offerings like Extra Melt® cheese sauces, shreds, and loaves - providing creamy, melty, crave-able appeal for your menu from smashburgers to baked mac and cheese to signature queso…and so much more. Farmer-owned since 1921, choosing Land O'Lakes® products for your kitchen helps support more than 1,000 Land O’Lakes farmer-owners. https://www.landolakesfoodservice.com/

Michelle is a Toronto-based culinary producer, food stylist, and recipe developer. Find her on IG @michellerabin .

Gavin Kaysen is a nationally, regionally, and locally renowned chef based in Minneapolis, Minnesota. -- Hey, fam! We’re super excited to announce a new sponsorship with Land O’Lakes. You might be familiar with Land O'Lakes Butter and cheese in the grocery aisle, but did you know they also sell dairy products developed to perform in foodservice kitchens? If you're a chef or operator in the industry, check out their offerings like Extra Melt® cheese sauces, shreds, and loaves - providing creamy, melty, crave-able appeal for your menu from smashburgers to baked mac and cheese to signature queso…and so much more. Farmer-owned since 1921, choosing Land O'Lakes® products for your kitchen helps support more than 1,000 Land O’Lakes farmer-owners. https://www.landolakesfoodservice.com/

@chefreactions is a renowned internet personality who has made a name for himself commentating on cooking videos on TikTok and Instagram. -- Hey, fam! We’re super excited to announce a new sponsorship with Land O’Lakes. You might be familiar with Land O'Lakes Butter and cheese in the grocery aisle, but did you know they also sell dairy products developed to perform in foodservice kitchens? If you're a chef or operator in the industry, check out their offerings like Extra Melt® cheese sauces, shreds, and loaves - providing creamy, melty, crave-able appeal for your menu from smashburgers to baked mac and cheese to signature queso…and so much more. Farmer-owned since 1921, choosing Land O'Lakes® products for your kitchen helps support more than 1,000 Land O’Lakes farmer-owners. https://www.landolakesfoodservice.com/