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Published by Elle Rochford
Guest experts join sociologist Elle Rochford to dive into new topics and new baking projects every other Monday! Social scientist and amateur baker, Elle, interviews guest experts each week to talk through important political and social issues. Follow Proofing and Lies on Instagram (@ProofingAndLies) or on twitter (@ProofingL) to check out how each baking project turned out and be sure to like, subscribe, follow, and review PAL wherever podcasts are found.
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This week Elle talks with University of Delaware sociologist, Felicia A. Henry. Her dissertation work examines the intersection between the criminal legal system, race, and natural disasters. Check out her work at http://www.feliciahenry.com/ and check out Elle's bread on Instagram @ProofingAndLies
This week Elle created a dark chocolate tart with a high fashion white chocolate swirl to go with Dr. Emily Newman's work on political fashion. Newman is an Associate Professor of Art History at Texas A&M Commerce. Her new book Fashioning Politics and Protests: New Visual Cultures of Feminism in the United States is out now! Check out her work at http://www.emilylnewman.com/ and see how this episode's baking project turned out on Instagram @ProofingAndLies
We're back! PAL is back with new episodes every other week. This week Elle experiments with dessert mashups and talks with Katelyn Foltz about gender-based violence in sports. Foltz is a sociologist out of the University of Maryland who helped launch the first publicly accessible database of gender-based violence in sports. Find the database here: https://smithandhattery.com/ and check out photos of Elle's bake on Instagram @ProofingAndLies Books referenced: Forty Million Dollar Slaves - William C. Rhoden Skimpy Coverage - Bonnie M. Hagerman Op-ed: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/how-we-rise/2023/04/04/ineffective-policies-for-gender-based-violence-in-sports-result-in-lack-of-accountability/
PAL co-host Elle is branching out! Every other Wednesday find Elle on Measuring Violence, the University of Delaware's Center for the Study and Prevention of Gender-Based Violence new podcast. Measuring Violence explores how experts define, quantify, and prevent violence. Each episode highlights scholarship and intervention specialists on how we can understand and ultimately prevent violence. Be sure to follow or subscribe to Measuring Violence wherever you find your podcasts. Perfect for true crime lovers, academics, and activists alike.
This week Elle talks with pal of PAL historian Thomas Lecaque about the significance of twitter and the possibility that it may fall apart under new leadership. Elle pitches Neopets as a twitter alternative and Dr. Lecaque talks about what Mastodon is and isn't (spoiler: it isn't twitter). Check out Elle's pumpkin pie on Instagram @ProofingAndLies and follow us on Twitter while it lasts @ProofingL. Check out Dr. Lecaque's twitter @tlecaque before he and Elle are banned for talking about El*n M*sk on this episode. His work has also been featured in the Washington Post and Salon.
This week Elle shares her pumpkin chai loaf cake with white chocolate chai glaze and Jennifer Dudley discusses her work on Congressional civility. Reilly and Elle have a lot of questions about civility, politeness, and the midterms. Check out Dudley's work at www.jenniferdudley.info and check out the Pumpkin chai on Instagram @ProofingAndLies or on Twitter (if it exists still) @ProofingL
This week Reilly quizzes Elle on U.S. demographics! How well can you estimate populations within the U.S.? Play along at home and tweet @ProofingL with how you did. Check out Elle's lemon and earl grey tart on Instagram @ProofingAndLies. Be sure to like, follow, share, and review!
Interview begins at 7:33 Reilly and Elle talk about recreating a popular snack food and Dr. Earl Smith and Dr. Angie Hattery come on to talk about their new book Way Down in the Hole: Race, Intimacy, and the Reproduction of Racial Ideologies in Solitary Confinement. For a chance to win a copy of Way Down in the Hole tweet @AngelaHattery with one piece of misinformation about solitary confinement from today's episode. As always be sure to like, rate, review, follow, and share! You can find more from Professors Smith and Hattery at smithandhattery.com. You can find today's bake on Instagram @ProofingAndLies and follow us on twitter @ProofingL.
Interview begins 10:42 It's episode 42 and Columbus sailed the ocean blue (and hoped to trigger the apocalypse). Fan favorite Dr. Thomas Lecaque is back to tell us about Christopher Columbus! The actual, historical figure is often lost in the modern myths about him. Reilly and Elle get into the details of a chocolate raspberry cake and a lemon blueberry cake. Check out this episode's bakes on Instagram @ProofingAndLies and find us on Twitter @ProofingL. Find Dr. Lecaque on Twitter @tlecaque A special thanks to Minelly Marcelino for our intro and outro music.
Reilly bakes this week! Reilly and Elle talk with Applied Worldwide co-founder, Stephanie Wilson, about stigma and health inequalities. The public discourse around monkey pox made the outbreak this summer more potentially dangerous. Wilson explains how as well as how the LGBTQ community builds alternate public health safety nets. Check out AppliedWorldwide.com to read "Are We Worrying About Monkey Pox Wrong?" the piece on monkey pox, stigma, and violence. Follow PAL on instagram @ProofingAndLies or on twitter @ProofingL. Check out Rosco on instagram @rosco_francis. Applied Worldwide is also on Instagram @Applied_worldwide and on Twitter @applysociology
New co-host alert! Reilly Kincaid joins PAL this season! This week we talk about our first fight - over an island cake - and our favorite/least favorite pieces of misinformation
This week Elle interviews design historian and biscuit artist Dr. Ella Hawkins. From pottery shards to Game of Thrones, Hawkins's biscuits celebrate history and costumes. An expert in Shakespearian costuming, Hawkins went viral for her fabulously decorated cookies. She discusses her work and her biscuits in this episode. Check out her work at https://ellahawkins.com or on instagram @EllaMCHawk. Keep an out for Elle's attempt to recreate her Tiffany stained glass biscuit set on instagram @ProofingAndLies or on twitter @ProofingL.
This week Elle is joined by guest co-host Dr. Zachary Palmer and guest expert Dr. Rachel Einwohner. Dr. Einwohner's latest book, Hope and Honor: Jewish Resistance during the Holocaust, is out today (1-24-22). Find it here: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/hope-and-honor-9780190079444?cc=us&lang=en& . Despite popular myths about Jewish passivity during the Holocaust and social movement models that would not predict resistance, there were armed uprisings. Dr. Einwohner discusses how and why Jewish people resisted against all odds. The bake this week is a Purim pastry that celebrates Esther's triumph over Haman. Check out the bake on Instagram @ProofingAndLies or on twitter @ProofingL and be sure to order your copy of Hope and Honor wherever books are sold.
It's 2022! New year, new logo, new format? This year Andrew will be defending the public full time so Elle will be hosting full time with a rotating batch of guests! PAL will keep producing great episodes and amateur baking. 2022 is the year of redo's. We're kicking off PAL 2022 with a redo of episode 23's macarons. This time around Elle uses Joshua Weissman's tutorial (https://www.joshuaweissman.com/post/homemade-macarons). To celebrate the new year Elle talks with Dr. Brandon Andrew Robinson. Their book Coming Out to the Street (2020) is an in depth exploration of LGBTQ+ homelessness. Check out their book wherever books are sold and find their articles at https://profiles.ucr.edu/app/home/profile/brandonr
This week Andrew and Elle live out their childhood dreams by talking with real life archeologist Nadhira Hill. Hill is a PhD candidate at the University of Michigan studying ceramics and drinking cultures in Ancient Greece. Hill also runs Notes from the Apotheke a blob about BIPOC in the Classics. Andrew and Elle made a "new" ancient recipe - "libum" which is Latin for cake. Check out their "cheesecake" on Instagram @ProofingAndLies or on Twitter @ProofingL. Find Hill's work at http://notesfromtheapotheke.com/ or on Twitter and Instagram @apothekeblog Interview begins 8:30
This week Andrew and Elle talk with Professor Jennifer Lena about her book Entitled. Her book explores the politics and history of the American art scene. From FDR's WPA to tattooing as high art, Dr. Lena's book unpacks how we decide what art is. Elle recreates a WPA mural out of buttercream in honor of the book. Check out the finished cake on Instagram @ProofingAndLies or on twitter @ProofingL. Find Entitled and Dr. Lena's other books everywhere books are sold. To learn more about the SSRC program Dr. Lena mentioned at the end of the interview check out https://www.ssrc.org/programs/arts-research-with-communities-of-color-program-arcc/ Interview begins @6:28
This week Elle and guest host Reilly Kincaid discuss how people talk about their abortions, the joys of owning an ice cream maker, and the perfect toppings for frozen treats. Reilly's ice cream pairings may be more controversial than abortion. Sarah Combellick, PhD Candidate in Sociology at the University of California-Davis, shares her work on how real abortion stories often differ from larger culture narratives. Find her work in the journal Social Problems and check out some mint oreo ice cream on Instagram @ProofingAndLies or on Twitter @ProofingL Interview begins at 7:55
This week Elle and Andrew talk with Mallory Rees, PhD Candidate at UCLA. Rees discusses DSOs (direct selling organizations), MLMs (multilevel marking), and pyramid schemes. She explains why so many women join MLMs and DSOs despite the social stigma. She also discusses intensive mothering and pressure to "have it all." Andrew makes a sparkling isomalt pyramid. Check out the pyramid on Instagram @ProofingAndLies or on Twitter @ProofingL and read Rees's article in Social Problems. Interview begins at 6:50
This week Elle and Andrew talk supply chains with Professor Matthew Hockenberry. Andrew tried his hand at tracing ingredients and handled all the baking this week! He used a cornbread recipe from the defector. (https://defector.com/lets-bake-some-cornbread) Check out his bake on Instagram @ProofingAndLies or Twitter @ProofingL. Learn more about Professor Hockenberry's work and his book Assembly Codes (editors Matthew Hockenberry, Nicole Starosielski, & Susan Zieger) at https://supplystudies.com/ Interview begins at 7:33
This week Elle and Andrew talk with Professor Katrina Kimport about her new book, No Real Choice , and her recent article "What are We Forgetting" (co-authored with Prof. Krystale Littlejohn). Prof. Kimport discusses the legal, financial, and social barriers to abortion. Andrew and Elle tackle the opera cake - a seven layer dessert that can be quite tricky. Check out Prof. Kimport's work and the work of her research group, ANSIRH, here: https://www.ansirh.org and check out this week's bake on Instagram @ProofingAndLies or on twitter @ProofingL Interview begins at 6:45
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