Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl

⁠ Download PDF of episode transcript ⁠ What does it look like when a major foundation decides that a crisis calls for more than business as usual? Bold but smart!This episode offers amazing insights and inspiration from Brenda Solórzano, President and CEO of The California Endowment. Brenda shares about how philanthropy can respond when nonprofits face rising demand, shrinking resources, and mounting pressure. She discusses how The California Endowment decided to substantially increase its spending, eliminate grantee reporting requirements, accelerate resource flows, and experiment! She explains why the Endowment signed the Level Up pledge and how it's spending the additional funds. For funders and nonprofit leaders alike, this conversation offers practical ideas for moving from risk-aversion toward responsive partnership. Solórzano discusses what it takes to build trust between foundations and nonprofits; why multi-year funding alone isn't enough; how funders can create relationships where grantees feel safe talking honestly about burnout; and why philanthropy may need to rethink payout. perpetuity, and the business model of foundations. She also makes the case that, rather than simply trying to preserve existing systems, funders can help communities build what comes next. For a Guest Bio, please click here: https://candid.org/authors/brenda-solorzano/ Key Links to Resources: Featured Guest & Institution Links: The California Endowment : https://www.calendow.org The California Endowment: Increased Spending : https://www.calendow.org/tce-board-approves-increased-spending/ Level Up & CHANGE Philanthropy Links: Level Up Campaign : https://levelupphilanthropy.org/ CHANGE Philanthropy : https://changephilanthropy.org CHANGE Philanthropy / Our Work : https://changephilanthropy.org/elementor-397/ Trust-Based Philanthropy Links: The California Endowment’s Go! Gifts : https://www.calendow.org/gogifts/ Headwaters Foundation of Montana’s Go Grants: https://www.headwatersmt.org/what-we-fund/go-grants/ Trust-Based Philanthropy Project: https://www.trustbasedphilanthropy.org CHANGE Philanthropy Member Organizations Links: Asian American Pacific Islanders in Philanthropy (AAPIP): ⁠https://aapip.org⁠ ABFE - A Philanthropic Partnership for Black Communities: ⁠https://www.abfe.org⁠ Emerging Practitioners in Philanthropy: ⁠https://www.epip.org⁠ Funders for LGBTQ Issues: ⁠https://lgbtfunders.org⁠ Hispanics in Philanthropy: ⁠https://hipfunds.org⁠ Native Americans in Philanthropy: ⁠https://nativephilanthropy.org⁠ National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy: ⁠https://ncrp.org⁠ Neighborhood Funders Group: ⁠https://nfg.org⁠ Philanthropic Initiative for Racial Equity: ⁠https://racialequity.org⁠ Women’s Funding Network: ⁠ https://www.womensfundingnetwork.org⁠ Fund the People Links: Fund the People website: https://fundthepeople.org/?utm_source=chatgpt.com Fund the People Podcast: https://creators.spotify.com/pod/profile/fund-the-people Join the FTP Podcast Premium community over on Patreon for extended episodes, bonus content, and more: http://patreon.com/fundthepeople Relevant FTP Podcast Episodes Links: Level Up: Helping Funders Give More, Faster with Jodeen Olguin-Tayler, CHANGE Philanthropy (S10:E01 published 09/09/26) https://www.podpage.com/fund-the-people-a-podcast-with-rusty-stahl/level-up-helping-funders-give-more-faster-with-jodeen-olguin-tayler-change-philanthropy/ Meet the Moment: A Call to Action for Funders with Shaady Salehi, Trust-Based Philanthropy Project (S07:E17 published 04/02/25): https://fundthepeople.org/meet-the-moment/ MacArthur President Chooses Courage, Not Quiet with John Palfrey, MacArthur Foundation (S07:E27 published 06/11/25): https://fundthepeople.org/palfrey Do Funders Understand the Nonprofit Burnout Crisis? with Elisha Smith Arrillaga, Center for Effective Philanthropy (S07:E01 published): https://fundthepeople.org/funders-understand

Synopsis: In this episode, you’ll learn about a current organizing effort to get institutional funders to ‘level up’ their giving in response to attacks on nonprofits and communities. Host Rusty Stahl speaks with Jodeen Olguín-Tayler (CHANGE Philanthropy) about the Level Up campaign and its three-part pledge, in which funders agree to (1) increase giving for at least two years; (2) move money quickly and equitably to support 'frontline' communities; and (3) share how the commitments are put into practice. The conversation also explores why increased payout rates matter right now; the role of donor advised funds; protecting racial justice grantmaking; and how funders can learn from one another to overcome internal barriers and turn commitments into action. This Season 10 premiere is an installment of our Defend Nonprofits, Defend Democracy Series. In a companion episode (S10:E2) next week, Brenda Solarzano shares why The California Endowment signed the Level Up pledge, and how its moving money in response to the current crisis. Download transcript .pdf : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZpRvZ_zQQQkPSyX9t4FL0Uka0OcQgcAP/view?usp=sharing Guest Bio: Jodeen Olguín-Tayler (she/ella) is Director of Programs and Campaigns at CHANGE Philanthropy, where she supports the Level Up Campaign. Jodeen has served in executive roles in philanthropy, business, and nonprofits for over 20 years with a focus on democracy and an economy rooted in racial and gender equity. Her board service has included Movement Voter Fund, Poder Latinx, Chicana Empowerment Fund, Inclusive Democracy and Climate Equity Fund, and Movement Strategy Center. Her staff leadership has included the National Domestic and MoveOn. Full bio: https://changephilanthropy.org/about/team . Essential Links: Level Up Campaign: http://levelupphilanthropy.org Level Up Campaign email: levelup@changephilanthropy.org CHANGE Philanthropy: https://changephilanthropy.org/ Fund the People: http://fundthepeople.org Fund the People Podcast: https://creators.spotify.com/pod/profile/fund-the-people Fund the People Podcast Premium on Patreon: http://patreon.com/fundthepeople Key Resources from the Episode: Racial Equity Advancement and Defense Initiative: https://www.abfe.org/racial-equity-advancement-and-defense-initiative-readi Free Your Donor Advised Fund (DAF) website: http://freeyourdaf.org CHANGE Philanthropy Member Organizations: Asian American Pacific Islanders in Philanthropy (AAPIP): https://aapip.org ABFE - A Philanthropic Partnership for Black Communities: https://www.abfe.org Emerging Practitioners in Philanthropy: https://www.epip.org Funders for LGBTQ Issues: https://lgbtfunders.org Hispanics in Philanthropy: https://hipfunds.org Native Americans in Philanthropy: https://nativephilanthropy.org National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy: https://ncrp.org Neighborhood Funders Group: https://nfg.org Philanthropic Initiative for Racial Equity: https://racialequity.org Women’s Funding Network: https://www.womensfundingnetwork.org Relevant FTP Podcast Episodes: How Nonprofits Fight Back Against Today’s Biggest Federal Threats w/ Sarah Saadian, National Council of Nonprofits (S9 Summer Bonus, 07.08.26) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-nonprofits-fight-back-against-todays-biggest-federal/id1531813289?i=1000775935067 ‘Silence Isolates, Solidarity Shields’ w/ Tonya Allen, McKnight Foundation (S8:E07, 11.05.25) - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/silence-isolates-solidarity-shields-with-tonya-allen/id1531813289?i=100073541767 Meet the Moment: A Call to Action for Funders w/ Shaady Salehi, Trust-Based Philanthropy Project (S7:E17, 04.02.25) - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/meet-the-moment-a-call-to-action-for-funders/id1531813289?i=1000701886889 Want additional relevant episodes? Add our Defend Nonprofits, Defend Democracy Playlist to your Spotify library: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/45UnbWYeqzDY9U2DVWDcHm?si=_KJDjjPpSIKNUdiUIhuDnA

Hi everybody – this is Rusty Stahl, CEO of Fund the People and host of your Fund the People Podcast. Season 10 starts next Wednesday, September 9th. New episodes will be available every Wednesday throughout the fall. So I wanted to say a quick hello to get you ready! As you probably know, Fund the People is the only national organization dedicated entirely to increasing investment in America's nonprofit workforce. Our podcast equips YOU to invest in the nonprofit workforce! Whatever your role in the sector, we provide you with the ideas, research, tools, and leading voices you need to hear in order to invest in the nonprofit people around you! Why does this matter? Because there's a chronic deficit of investment in the nonprofit workforce, which has undermined the effectiveness and impact of the sector for decades. But when nonprofits have the funding and incentive to invest in their people, they can dramatically increases the performance, results, and sustainability! During the current era of political attacks, federal funding cuts; heightened levels of burnout, churn-out, and crisis across the nonprofit sector, investing in nonprofit people is an even more essential strategy to save nonprofit jobs, services, and organizations. Which means it’s time for all of us to learn the art of talent-investing. Thankfully we’re making that easier than ever. As we enter our seventh year of podcasting, the show just keeps getting better and better. More incredible guests. More real talk. More hard-hitting coverage of our sector's workforce issues. In fact, our guests are so great that the show is now ranked # EIGHT on the top list of 100 Best Nonprofit Podcasts in the U.S (FeedSpot). This fall, Season 10 brings you even more wisdom and practical resources from across the sector. So come "find your people" on Fund the People: bee sure to subscribe, listen or watch, and share the show!

As nonprofits navigate the aggressively hostile political and policy environment of the current federal administration, communications strategist Vanessa Wakeman argues that organizations need more than legal and financial preparedness. In this special summer bonus episode, you’ll learn about “narrative resilience,” - a term and concept developed by Wakeman. Learn how nonprofits – and their funders – can strengthen public trust; counter harmful storylines; and build lasting communications infrastructure that helps defend both the nonprofit sector and democracy itself. View and download a .pdf transcript of this episode – https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_GMmCxBhbrIWcOQ5y5e1YzIk-ARBIe8W/view?usp=sharing Guest Bio: An accomplished leader with deep knowledge about the politics of social change and mastery at advancing the efforts of values-driven organizations, Vanessa is a trusted advisor to organizations around the globe. She has been successfully leading initiatives to support communications for nonprofits, socially responsible companies and other stakeholder groups since she founded The Wakeman Agency in 2003. Vanessa helps clients to build and restore trust with internal and external audiences, to develop ongoing communications that strengthen organizational positioning and amongst key audiences. Vanessa has increasingly been called upon by a host of organizations to help them reimagine their values, culture and operations through the lens of justice, equity, diversity and inclusion. Her approach to communications uses behavioral science practices to shift perceptions and behaviors. Links Resources: The Wakeman Agency – Strategic communications firm serving nonprofits, foundations, and mission-driven organizations. https://www.thewakemanagency.com/ Narrative Resilience Program – Consulting and assessment program for nonprofits, available for individual organizations or cohorts, including foundation-sponsored cohorts. https://www.thewakemanagency.com/expertise/narrative-resilience-program/ The Wakeman Agency Insights – Articles and thought leadership explaining Narrative Resilience and communications strategy. https://www.thewakemanagency.com/insights/ Social Change Diaries podcast - https://www.thewakemanagency.com/the-social-change-diaries/ Social Change Diaries episode with Rusty Stahl – “Rusty Stahl’s Radical Vision for a Transformed Nonprofit World” from November 2018 – https://www.thewakemanagency.com/insights/rusty-stahls-radical-vision-for-a-transformed-nonprofit-workforce-development/ Contact Guest: Vanessa Wakeman on linkedin – https://www.linkedin.com/in/vanessawakeman Wakeman Agency on linkedin – https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-wakeman-agency Relevant Episodes: S9 Bonus – Sarah Saadian (National Council of Nonprofits) – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-nonprofits-fight-back-against-todays-biggest-federal/id1531813289?i=1000775935067 S9:E13 – The Value of the Nonprofit Workforce (Part 2) – ⁠ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/economy-the-unique-value-of-the-u-s-nonprofit-workforce-2-of-3/id1531813289?i=1000761500707 ⁠ S9:E18 – Vu Le (Nonprofit AF) – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/anger-hope-funding-and-the-future-of-nonprofits/id1531813289?i=1000768714659

Sarah Saadian of the National Council of Nonprofits explains how the Trump Administration policies are reshaping the nonprofit sector through a three-pronged effort to cut-off funding, silence organizations, and erode trust in nonprofits—and why these threats affect every nonprofit, regardless of mission. She shares practical ways nonprofit leaders can take action together to defend civil society, strengthen nonprofit advocacy, and protect the communities they serve. Promo Video for this Episode : https://youtu.be/LmjA_DsErPQ Download a .pdf of the transcript of the episode: Transcript of Audio Version : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y0sOKOxON29a-IRA6T3xGBGUqiUep1zj/view?usp=sharing Transcript of Video Version : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1F3WG1qNKqerTrDwu8hyNa1xzfMx9klrq/view?usp=sharing Guest Bio: Sarah Saadian is Senior Vice President of Public Policy and Campaigns with the National Council of Nonprofits. She has more than fifteen years of experience with national advocacy campaigns and has successfully advanced federal policies on Capitol Hill. Prior to joining NCN, Sarah served at the National Low Income Housing Coalition, Enterprise Community Partners and Rapoza Associates. She graduated from the University of Connecticut School of Law after receiving her bachelor’s degree from the University of Virginia, and she is a member of the Virginia State Bar. Essential Links: Rusty’s Call to Action YouTube Video ⁠ : ⁠ Just Say NO to a Fake Nonprofit Pledge of Allegiance to President Trump - https://youtu.be/3Sz8zs35bMw?si=CKLrz2MquMvnI8n1 ⁠ NCN Resource and Action Page on Proposed Regulations : https://www.councilofnonprofits.org/articles/take-action-july-13-oppose-sweeping-changes-federal-grantmaking NCN’s Chart of Proposed Regulations : https://www.councilofnonprofits.org/files/media/documents/2026/2026-chart-omb-uniform-proposed-changes.pdf NCN’s Guide for Submitting Your Public Comments: https://www.councilofnonprofits.org/files/media/documents/2026/2026-proposed-omb-uniform-guidance-comment-guide.pdf Add Your Organization to the National Letter : https://www.councilofnonprofits.org/form/national-letter-to-protect-and-s Email Your Member of Congress : https://ujoin.co/campaigns/4287/actions/public?action_id=6970 NCN website : https://www.councilofnonprofits.org/ NCN’s Nonprofit Champion Newsletter - free biweekly updates on local, state, and federal policy and advocacy issues affecting nonprofits: https://www.councilofnonprofits.org/newsletter-archive Sarah's LinkedIn : https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-saadian-495933b/ NCN's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/national-council-of-nonprofits/posts/?feedView=all Fund the People website : http://www.fundthepeople.org Related Episodes: Defend Nonprofits, Defend Democracy Series (A Playlist on Spotify - free Spotify account required): https://open.spotify.com/playlist/45UnbWYeqzDY9U2DVWDcHm?si=JqbTljbcSEqJZo3C6wPRhw The Federal Policy & Propaganda Landscape Facing the Nonprofit Workforce in 2026 (S9:E11, 04/01/26): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-federal-policy-propaganda-landscape-facing/id1531813289?i=1000758617691 The Trump War on Charity (S8:E1, 09/24/25): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-trump-war-on-charity/id1531813289?i=1000728221229 Defend Nonprofits, Defend the Social Safety Net - with Edward Hershey (S7:E25, 05/28/25): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/defend-nonprofits-defend-the-social-safety-net/id1531813289?i=1000710317394 Silence Isolates, Solidarity Shields - with Tonya Allen, McKnight Foundation (S8:E7, 11/05/25): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/silence-isolates-solidarity-shields-with-tonya-allen/id1531813289?i=1000735417671 When Politicians Call Nonprofits “Thugs” and “Sleazebags,” What Will You Do? (S7:E6, 01/15/25): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/when-politicians-call-nonprofits-thugs-and-sleazebags/id1531813289?i=1000684096236 #DefendNonprofits #DefendDemocracy #FundThePeople

Vu Le is our guest for the Season Nine Finalé, which also serves as an installment of our ongoing Defend Nonprofits, Defend Democracy Series. Recorded with a live zoom audience during our spring webinar series, Vu discusses his burnout, funding instability, philanthropy’s power dynamics, and what it will take to strengthen nonprofits in an era of rising authoritarianism. Vu argues that nonprofits and funders must stop normalizing scarcity, invest deeply in leaders and infrastructure, and organize collectively for long-term change. Drawing from his new book Reimagining Nonprofits and Philanthropy , Vu challenges conventional assumptions about fundraising, nonprofit leadership, and philanthropy itself. The conversation explores why progressive movements struggle to sustain leaders, how conservative leadership infrastructure has been built strategically over decades, and what nonprofit professionals can do right now to protect democracy and each other. Download a transcript of the episode About Our Guest Vu Le is a prominent writer, speaker, and former executive director of Seattle-based Rainier Valley Corps. Widely recognized for his irreverent, no-nonsense approach to social justice and philanthropy, he authors the viral blog Nonprofit AF , and is a co-founder of the Community-Centric Fundraising movement. Most recently he is author of the book, Reimagining Nonprofits and Philanthropy . In 2020, Vu was our first guest on the Fund the People: A Podcast with Rusty Stahl . Suggested Links: Vu Le’s Blog, Nonprofit AF Reimagining Nonprofits and Philanthropy (Book) The Sally Covington Report (Moving a Public Policy Agenda: The Strategic Philanthropy of Conservative Foundations) Community-Centric Fundraising Nonprofits Are Message with Joan Garry - Episode 251 with Vu Trust-Based Philanthropy Project National Council of Nonprofits Independent Sector Bolder Advocacy Rules of the Game Podcast (Note: Rusty misstated the name of the podcast in the recording. The correct name provided here) Solidaire Network Fund the People Fund the People Webinar Series Related Fund the People Podcast Episodes: S1:E1 — Vu Le: Treating Nonprofit People Like Batteries - The very first FTP podcast episode, revisited in this conversation, on burnout, scarcity, and nonprofit workforce culture.

In this installment of our Defend Nonprofits Defend Democracy Series, you’ll get a deep dive into one of the least-discussed but most important democracy issues facing nonprofits and philanthropy today: attacks on ballot initiatives and direct democracy. Elizabeth DiLauro of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation joins Rusty Stahl to discuss how ballot measures have become critical tools for advancing health equity and why efforts to restrict citizen-led initiatives threaten both democracy and the nonprofit sector. Liz shares how RWJF is funding organizations defending ballot access in multiple states, helping other funders understand the legal pathways for engagement, and why funders using their public voice matters as much as their grantmaking right now. The conversation also explores democratic backsliding, gerrymandering, philanthropy’s role in this moment, and why protecting democratic participation is foundational to every social justice mission. Download the edited transcript as a .pdf Guest Bio: Elizabeth DiLauro serves as a Senior Policy Officer with the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, where she shapes strategy and grantmaking at the state level to advance long-term change in the social policies that impact our nation’s health and well-being. Previously, Liz served as the senior director of advocacy at ZERO TO THREE, where she led the organization’s advocacy strategy to advance a policy agenda for young children and families. Earlier in her career, Liz worked with the Pew Charitable Trusts where she crafted state campaigns to increase access to children’s dental care, and the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry where she advanced strategies to support children’s mental health policy. She has also worked in federal and state advocacy with Home Instruction for Parents of Preschool Youngsters (HIPPY) USA. Liz holds a Master of Public Administration from the Robert F. Wagner Graduate School of Public Service at New York University, with a specialization in public and non-profit policy and management. Links to Resources Mentioned in the Episode Organizations: Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (RWJF) Ballot Initiative Strategy Center Foundation Fairness Project Education Fund Bolder Advocacy (program of Alliance for Justice) Fund the People Reports, Publications, Events, and Tools: Rules of the Game Podcast⁠ (Bolder Advocacy, a program of Alliance for Justice) Foundations on the Hill (policy conference and Capitol Hill visits for the foundations and philanthropy infrastructure organizations) Answering the Call for a Healthy, Inclusive Democracy - Annual Letter (April 2026) by Dr. Rich Besser, President, Robert Wood Johnson Foundation All By April (a 501c3 campaign hosted by Democracy Fund)

In this episode (S9:E16), you’ll hear compelling evidence that investing in nonprofit workers isn’t a distraction from program results—it actually supercharges impact! Burnout is widespread in the nonprofit sector, particularly in social justice groups. But it doesn’t have to be. Our guests share their research, experience, and thinking, based on a cohort of Northern California nonprofits working with All Due Respect to improve working conditions for organizers in their ranks. Geraldine and Rebecca vividly describe how better pay, stronger systems, and a culture of wellness can significantly improve job quality, employee retention -- and program results. Download an edited transcript in .pdf format Our Guests: Geraldine Alcid is Executive Director of Filipino Advocates for Justice (FAJ). Established in 1973 in response to the discrimination and alienation faced by Filipino immigrant newcomers, FAJ builds a strong Filipino community by organizing constituents, developing leaders, providing services, and advocating for just policies. Geraldine is also a founder and leads FAJ’s sibling 501C4 organization, FAJ Action Fund, established in 2022. She was born in Makati, Philippines, grew up in Chicago, IL. and currently lives in Oakland, CA. Rebecca Gorena (she/ella) is Senior Program Director at All Due Respect. She is a community advocate and campaign manager with over 14 years of experience across states and social justice sectors. Rebecca has led organizing and policy campaigns across many issues with an emphasis on developing the skills and autonomy of the organizers she works alongside. This has resulted in her passion for building stronger movement spaces and leaders. Links to Resources Key Reports & Tools: ⁠Shared Guidelines: A Commitment to Bay Area Organizers⁠ (Report from All Due Respect) ⁠People Power Movements: Lessons from FAJ’s Deep Wellness Project⁠ (Report from All Due Respect) ⁠Youth Organizing in the Bay Area: An Exploration of Organizational Labor Standards⁠ (Report from All Due Respect) ⁠Sustainable Jobs Toolkit⁠ (Online toolkit from All Due Respect + Staffing the Mission) ⁠Upgrading Nonprofit Workplaces 2026 Case Study Series⁠ (Research from Fund the People) Guest's and Host's Organizations: All Due Respect (ADR) website Filipino Advocates for Justice (FAJ) website FAJ on Facebook FAJ on Instagram Fund the People (FTP) website FTP on LinkedIn FTP Mailing List Related Networks & Partners Mentioned: RYSE Center AAPIs for Civic Empowerment (FORCE) California Domestic Worker Coalition East Bay Community Foundation National Domestic Workers Alliance Power California Additional FTP Episodes with All Due Respect: Thriving Wages for Community Organizers (S7:E6) – with Kara Park (All Due Respect) and Gabby Hernandez (Orale) Fair Labor Standards for Community Organizers (S3:E8) – with Kevin Simowitz and Kinzie Mabon ( All Due Respect) More Relevant FTP Episodes: The Guru of Burnout (S1:E10) – with Dr. Christina Maslach, Professor Emerita, University of California Berkeley⁠ ⁠Using Capacity-Building Grants for People-Systems (S2 Bonus Episode) - with Andrea Frye, People’s Action (Bonus Episode)⁠ How Funders Can Support Nonprofit Workers in the Age of Burnout, Part 1 (S6:E1) - with Jamie Allison, Walter and Elise Haas Fund New Study: Cost of Low Wages in Youth-Serving Nonprofits (S7:E22) – with Madison Holland, The Prosperity Initiative

What does it take to move from talking about racial equity to practicing it—inside philanthropy and across the nonprofit sector? In this episode, you’ll get visionary and pragmatic guidance on how funders and nonprofits can close the gap between intention and action. Rusty speaks with Kaci Patterson, Founder of Social Good Solutions and the Black Equity Collective. Kaci shares how her work brings funders and Black-led organizations together to build relationships, trust, and unding strategies that are rooted in community. The conversation also digs into the economic and social impact of Black community organizations, the persistent under-funded/under-capacity paradox faced by these organizations, and the urgent opportunity facing philanthropy. As the DEI backlash and public sector staffing cuts disproportionately impact Black women, Kaci argues that philanthropy has a choice: retreat to old habits or invest boldly in a stronger, more equitable nonprofit workforce. This episode offers both a clear-eyed critique and a hopeful path forward—grounded in relationships, mutuality, shared leadership, and long-term sustainability. Download an edited transcript .pdf ⁠ of episode About Our Guest: Kaci is Founder and Chief Architect of Social Good Solutions (SGS), a Black woman-owned and operated boutique social impact consulting firm. Kaci also serves as Founder and Chief Architect of the Black Equity Collective, housed within Social Good Solutions. Kaci launched SGS in 2014 after nearly 18 years of working in the nonprofit and philanthropic sectors. Always with an eye toward human and community development, SGS works with philanthropic institutions, nonprofit organizations, and public agencies to design, operationalize and manage racial justice initiatives from concept to implementation. The firm’s expertise is operationalizing equity, demonstrating what’s possible in philanthropy and creating new standards for equity-centered practices in the field. Since 2014, SGS has raised and leveraged over $86 million (and counting!) for Black-led organizations in California! Links & Resources: Kaci Patterson & Her Work: Social Good Solutions Black Equity Collective A Guide for Pursuing Black Equity & Racial Justice in Philanthropic Initiatives and Government Systems Research & Data Mentioned: The Economic Contributions of California Black-Led Organizations , May 20, 2025, published by the Black Equity Collective and Nonprofit Finance Fund Black-led Nonprofits Didn’t See the Lasting Funding Boosts Promised After 2020’s Racial Reckoning , by James Pollard, April 7, 2026, Associated Press ⁠Candid + ABFE report on funding for Black-led nonprofits⁠ Black Women Suffered Large Employment Losses in 2025—Particularly Among College Graduates and Public-Sector Workers , by Valerie Wilson, February 10, 2026, Economic Policy Institute Related Organizations & Context: BLACC (Building Leaders and Cultivating Change) Fund (at Liberty Hill Foundation) ABFE - A Philanthropic Partnership for Black Communities (formerly the Association of Black Foundation Executives) Grantmakers for Effective Organizations (GEO) California Community Foundation Liberty Hill Foundation Aspen Institute Civil Society Fellowship Fund the People Resources: Fund the People Fund the People’s Talent Justice Research and Tools ⁠ ⁠ Fund the People Premium Podcast on Patreon ⁠ Fund the People's podcast is available on all platforms. Here are links where most people listen or watch: Apple Podcasts Spotify YouTube video feed or audio-only feed PodPage Similar Episodes: Funding Advocacy for Racial Equity in a Hostile Climate – with Dr. Giridhar Mallya, Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Coaching Black Women Leaders in White Nonprofit Spaces - with Kelli King-Jackson Coach and Consultant Racial & Generational Barriers in Nonprofit Careers - with Frances Kunreuther and Sean Thomas-Breitfeld, Building Movement Project Funding Black Leaders to Prevent Burnout - with Dany Sigwalt, Power Shift Network

In this episode, you'll get a clear, concise, and cogent argument for the unique value of the U.S. nonprofit workforce, with a specific focus on how nonprofit workers contribute to democratic participation and self-governance. Host Rusty Stahl discusses five ways this value manifests: ​Bringing the First Amendment to life ​Delivering services to citizens on behalf of government ​Advocating to government for the public interest ​Last bulwarks of democracy ​Engines of civic participation This is the third installment in our three-episode miniseries on the Unique Value of the U.S. nonprofit workforce. The first installment focused on our contributions to American community. The second focused on our contributions to the American economy. (You can find links to the prior installments below.) Taken together, we have a powerful picture of how the nonprofit contributes to American society It's worth noting that, in this framing the 'third sector' contributes mightily to the first sector (the public sector, or government) and the second sector (the private sector, or business). Download a transcript in .pdf format. Relevant Episodes: ​ The Unique Value of the U.S. Nonprofit Workforce - Part 1 of 3 ​ The Unique Value of the U.S. Nonprofit Workforce - Part 2 of 3 ​ S1:E4 - Lester Salamon (including this episode because at about minute 9 and 54 seconds, Dr. Salamon discussed how the federal government massively 'outsources' the delivery of its programs and services to 'third parties', many of which are nonprofits)

In this episode, host Rusty Stahl makes the economic case for valuing the nonprofit workforce—nearly 13 million workers powering 10% of the U.S. private workforce. Drawing on fresh data, he reveals how nonprofits create jobs, stabilize communities during crises, and fuel broader economic growth. If policymakers and funders overlook this workforce, they’re missing one of the most significant economic forces in the country. This is Part 2 of our 3-part miniseries on the value of the nonprofit workforce! In the first episode of the miniseries, Rusty makes a passionate plea for everyone to discuss the value of the nonprofit workforce, and then addresses how nonprofit workers bring value of their communities. Part 3 of the miniseries will discuss the value of the nonprofit workforce for our democracy. Links to Resources: ​ 5 Surprising Facts about the U.S Nonprofit Workforce⁠ ​CalNonprofits 2019 Causes Count Report Subscribe to Fund the People's YouTube Channel . FTP Podcast Audio on YouTube FTP Podcast Video on Youtube ​FTP Podcast Video Clips George Mason University: ​ Nonprofit Employment Data (NED) Project ​2024 Nonprofit Employment Data Report⁠​ ⁠ (national data on nonprofit wages) Spotlight on Nonprofit Wages (nonprofit wages by sub-sector) Nonprofit Employment in the States, 2017-2022 (nonprofit wages by region) ​Nonprofit Works Interactive Online Database (explore nonprofit wages by geographic area, sub-sector, and in comparison to for-profit and government) Relevant Episodes: ​ The Unique Value of the U.S. Nonprofit Workforce - Part 1 (S9:E12, April 8, 2026, 22 minutes) ​Making the Nonprofit Workforce Visible - with Dr. Alan Abramson and Chelsea Newhouse, George Mason University (S7:E24, May 21, 2025, 42 minutes) ​The Power of the Nonprofit Workforce - with Dr. Lester Salamon, Johns Hopkins University (S1:E4, October 16, 2020, 52 minutes)

“Nonprofit workers are an unspoken part of our social contract.” Why do we need to explicitly talk about the value of the nonprofit workforce—especially to people already working within it? In this opening episode of a three-part series, Rusty Stahl argues that the nonprofit workforce has long been overlooked in public policy, media narratives, and even within the sector itself. Drawing on insights following Foundations on the Hill 2026, he highlights how nonprofit workers are frequently excluded from major policy debates—even when those policies directly impact their jobs and communities. Rusty challenges the dominant “deficit-based” framing of the nonprofit workforce, which focuses on what workers lack, and instead calls for a shift toward an “asset-based” narrative that recognizes the sector’s immense contributions. The episode then explores the first dimension of value: community . From meeting basic needs to enabling generosity and envisioning better futures, nonprofit workers are essential to the functioning, resilience, and cohesion of communities across the country. In the next episodes of this miniseries: Part 2: The value of the nonprofit workforce to the U.S. economy Part 3: The value of the nonprofit workforce to democracy and liberty If this episode resonated with you: Share it with a colleague, funder, or policymaker Leave a review of our show on Apple Podcasts or a comment on Spotify Start conversations in your network about the value of the nonprofit workforce Resources & Links Download an edited .pdf transcript of this episode Fund the People: https://fundthepeople.org Email Rusty: rusty@fundthepeople.org Related Episodes S9:E11 - The Federal Policy & Propaganda Landscape Facing the Nonprofit Workforce in 2026 ⁠S8:E1 - The Trump War on Charity ⁠S7:E4 - Making the Nonprofit Workforce Visible - with Dr. Alan Abrahmson and Chelsea Newhouse, George Mason University⁠

In this episode, you get a firsthand report from "Foundations on the Hill." Rusty discusses emerging federal threats and opportunities for our sector. From new legislation to executive action, he shares what’s at stake for the nonprofit workforce—and why we must engage now to shape the narrative. Download episode⁠ transcript Watch episode Promo Video Links to Information Discussed: Challenges on the Horizon Reintroduction of H.R. 9495 (H.R. 6800 and S. 3554): Press Release: ⁠Cornyn, Sheehy Introduce Bill to Revoke Tax-Exempt Status of CAIR, Groups Bankrolling Terrorists⁠ (Senator John Cornyn) ⁠Official Text of H.R. 6800⁠ ⁠Official Text of S. 3554⁠ Press Release: ⁠Nonprofit Killer Bill Re-Introduced in the House and Senate⁠ (Charity and Security Network) SPONSOR Act (S. 3942): Press Release: Moran, Cruz Introduce Legislation to Deter Non-Profit Sponsorships of Left-Wing Radicals (Congressman Nathaniel Moran) Official Text of the Bill from congress.gov Executive Actions to Frame & Investigate Nonprofits as Terrorist Supporters: Investigating Nonprofits as Terrorist Supporting Organizations: National Security Presidential Memorandum (NSPM-7) (The White House) Attorney General Memo - “Implementing NSPM-7: Countering Domestic Terrorism and Organized Political Violence - (Office of the Attorney General) FBI and IRS to investigate nonprofit groups for domestic terrorism links, sources say (CBS News) FBI and IRS join forces under Bondi directive (MS Now) How NSPM-7 Seeks to Use "Domestic Terrorism" to Target Nonprofits and Activists (ACLU) Administration imposes ideological bounds on student debt forgiveness for public servants: Overview of Proposed Changes and Updates on PSLF program (National Council of Nonprofits) Finalized Changes and Litigation (National Council of Nonprofits) Education Department Imposes Controversial New Restrictions on Public Service Loan Forgiveness Program (American Association of Universities) Administration pursues ideological litmus test for federal grants: DOGE Takes Over Federal Grant Website (NonProfit Times) Proposed Changes to Federal Grant Portal Could Disrupt Nonprofits and Harm Communities Nationwide (National Council of Nonprofits) Guide to Submitting Public Comments on Changes to Federal Grants Certification (National Council of Nonprofits) Note: public comment period ended 3/30/26. 1,300 nonprofit groups joined the sign-on letter, and 22,000 submitted public comments! Apparently there will be further opportunities to offer public comment, so this info is worth reviewing! Positive Developments Philanthropy Caucus Launched in House of Representatives: Press Release from Congressman Blake Moore (DATE) Small Nonprofit Retirement Security Act (H.R. 4548 / S. 2365): Press Release: Buchanan Leads Bipartisan Effort to Help Small Nonprofits Offer Retirement Plans (07/21/25) Official Text of H.R. 4548 Official Text of S. 2365 Educating Policymakers About the Nonprofit Workforce: Five Surprising Facts About the Nonprofit Workforce (FTP hand-out for Congress) NEW: Johnson Amendment Upheld: Since recording this episode, news arrived that a court has upheld the Johnson Amendment , maintaining nonprofit separation from political campaigns and donations Organizations Mentioned in the Episode: Council on Foundations Foundations on the Hill 2026 Fund the People Independent Sector National Council of Nonprofits Philanthropy Roundtable United Philanthropy Forum Additional Links: Council on Foundations Foundations on the Hill 2026 Fund the People Independent Sector National Council of Nonprofits Philanthropy Roundtable United Philanthropy Forum Related Episodes: Peaceful Terrorists and Violent Activists (S9:E1, January 2026) The Trump War on Charity (S8:E1, September 2025) Mr. Stahl Goes to Washington (S7:E13, March 2025) Nonprofits Made America (S7:E11, February 2025) Related Playlists: Defend Nonprofits, Defend Democracy Series Playlist Host-Only Episodes Playlist Rusty’s Rants and Reflections Playlist

In this episode, you’ll get a bold, provocative new idea for investing in the nonprofit workforce—and why it may be essential to the sector’s survival. We all know that restricted project support doesn't empower nonprofits to invest in their staff. But, we argue, general operating support isn't up to this task either. Staff Operating Support (SOS) offers a new way that funders and fundraisers can strategically, responsively move money to support the workforce of grantee organizations. We introduced the idea of Staff Operating Support during Season 8 (see link to the episode below) . Today's conversation, drawn from a webinar on March 12, 2026, builds on the previous one as Rusty Stahl presents updated thinking, including the 7 key traits of S.O.S. funding. This episode also features a silo-busting panel and audience of funders, nonprofit leaders, and intermediaries, sharing enthusiasm, critiques, questions, and additional ideas about S.O.S. funding. Host Rusty Stahl is joined by Co-Host Annie Chang (Nonprofit Finance Fund). Rusty defines Staff Operating Support, and shares seven key traits of the concept. Annie and a panel of nonprofit of respondents unpack the ‘compounding crises’ in the nonprofit sector’s workforce —and explore what it will take to proactively address it. Alongside Annie, the panelists are Janelle Moravek Miller (Youth and Family Counseling), Maria Cabildo , The Durfee Foundation, and Kim Almeida (Levi Strauss Foundation). From new research data to real-world results, this episode makes the case that funding staff isn’t overhead—it’s mission-critical. S.O.S. Funding Concept Info Hub - Fund the People How to Support Nonprofit Worker Well-Being - Nonprofit Finance Fund Financial Insecurity in the Nonprofit Workforce - Independent Sector and United Way (wiht link to "ALICE" in the Nonprofit Workforce report) Durfee Foundation's Sabbatical Program - The Durfee Foundation Well-Being and Equity as a Business Imperative research report - Levi Strauss Foundation and Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health Introducing Staff Operating Support (S.O.S.) Grants Concept ⁠ with host Rusty Stahl, Fund the People Chasm Grows between Funder and Nonprofit Perceptions of Crisis - with Elisha Smith Arrillaga, Center for Effective Philanthropy Donors Invest in Health Nonprofit’s Staff -- with Dramatic Program Results - with Janelle Miller Moravek, Youth and Family Counseling Funding Nonprofit People & Possibility: Inside the Durfee Foundation - with Maria Cabildo, The Durfee Foundation

Why do private foundations give away so little of their wealth each year—and how does that affect nonprofits and the people who work in them? Especially as the Trump Administration's War on Charity continues to rage? Rusty Stahl talks with Glen Galaich, author of the new book ⁠Control: Why Big Giving Falls Short⁠ , about philanthropy’s culture of control, the limits of the 5% payout model, and what foundations could do differently to support nonprofit organizations and their workforce. Download the transcript of this episode in .PDF format Guest Bio: Glen Galaich is author of the new book, Control: Why Big Giving Falls Short . He is CEO of the Stupki Foundation, a private spend-down foundation based in the Bay Area. Glen hosts (or co-hosts, depending on the day) the Break Fake Rules Podcast. Click here to learn more about Glen . Links to Resources: Stupski Foundation Control: Why Big Giving Falls Short Break Fake Rules Podcast Rusty’s appearance on Break Fake Rules Podcast (March 4, 2026) Dimple Abichandani’s appearance on the FTP Podcast Dimple Abichandani’s book, A New Era of Philanthropy Vu Le’s book, Reimagining Nonprofits and Philanthropy Vu Le’s appear on the FTP Podcast Marguerite Casey Foundation Carmen Rojas appearance on Break Fake Rules Podcast Fund the People Related Episodes: FTP Podcast Spotify Playlist on the Overhead Myth (Note: a free Spotify account is required to listen) How Funders Can Support Nonprofit Workers in the Age of Burnout - with Jamie Allison, Walter and Elise Haas Fund Embracing Nonprofit Abundance - with Nell Edgington, Author and Consultant

In this episode, you'll hear what nonprofits can learn from broader labor market trends—and how organizations can compete for talent in an era of increasing transparency. And you'll get a provocative perspective on how employers have been assessing the "market rate" for salaries, and how we should be thinking differently. Fund the People's Rusty Stahl speaks with Cary Sparrow, founder of WageScape , about how real-time labor market data is reshaping hiring, pay transparency, and workforce strategy. Download the transcript of this episode in .PDF format Guest Bio: Cary Sparrow is the Founder and CEO of WageScape, which provides employers with unique labor market and real-time compensation data. Cary is a former US Navy submarine officer, having served on several nuclear submarines. He is a former global vice president at Cargill, Inc. Sparrow has 35 years combined experience in engineering, military, consulting, and operations leadership in achieving organizational growth in HR, IT, engineering, and technology. Links to Resources Discussed: Cary Sparrow on LinkedIn Wage Scape on LinkedIn WageScape website Rusty Stahl on LinkedIn Fund the People on LinkedIn Linkedin.com website LinkedIn’s “Economic Graph” - Workforce Data and Research U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics website Related Episodes from Fund the People: Nonprofit H.R. Nuts and Bolts - a Spotify Playlist of select FTP Podcast episodes (free Spotify account needed) Making the Nonprofit Workforce Visible - with Alan Abramson and Chelsea Newhouse, George Mason University Starting a Revolution in Nonprofit Hiring - with Alfonso Wenker and Trina Olson, Team Dynamics

In this episode, you’ll get a clear-eyed look at the newest national data on nonprofit stability—and what it means for your organization, your funding strategy, your workforce or your grantees’ workforce. While you're here, we invite you to register for Fund the People’s next webinar and live podcast recording on March 12, 2026 ⁠ . We'll explore Staff Operating Support (SOS), a new kind of funding to support the nonprofit workforce through this new kind of crisis. We'll define SOS funding, and get insights and critiques from a panel of nonprofits and funders.( ⁠ https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/cqkGKIweTlmlelqYgpRIeQ#/registration ⁠ ) Today's episode is the latest installment in our Defend Nonprofits, Defend Democracy Series, and the 1st-ever 'live recording' of Fund the People Podcast! Drawing on brand-new research from the Center for Effective Philanthropy (CEP), this episode shares data on the painful impact of the Trump Administration’s War on Charity: Nearly 70% of nonprofits are facing decreased funding while demand for services rises. More than half are concerned about closure or merger. And there’s a 40-point perception gap between funders and nonprofits about how well funders understand grantee challenges. Host Rusty Stahl is joined by CEP’s Vice President of Research, Elisha Smith Arrillaga, to explore: 📊 The headline findings from CEP’s newest “State of Nonprofits” report 🔍 The widening disconnect between funders and nonprofit leaders 🧠 What nonprofits say they actually need beyond grant dollars ⚖️ How political targeting of the entire nonprofit sector changes the stakes 💬 Live poll results from nonprofit leaders, funders, and capacity builders This episode offers data, context, and practical insight to help you navigate mounting pressure—and consider how philanthropy can move from reactive to proactive support. Our Guest: Elisha Smith Arrillaga, Ph.D. manages CEP’s Research team, leading the creation, development, analysis, and release of research projects and initiatives relevant to the philanthropic sector’s most pressing issues. Prior to CEP, Dr. Smith Arrillaga was a faculty fellow and professor of practice in philanthropy and education policy at the University of Texas. She served as executive director of several national and state level nonprofits, including the Dana Center, a national center on math and science education equity. Related Episodes: Defend Nonprofits, Defend Democracy Series Spotify Playlist How Funders Can Fight Nonprofit Burnout, Not Fuel It — with Elisha Smith Arrillaga, Center for Effective Philanthropy (S8:E6, October 29, 2025) Do Funders Understand the Nonprofit Burnout Crisis? – with Elisha Smith Arrillaga, Center for Effective Philanthropy (S7:E1, November 13, 2024) Understanding Funders’ Blindspots - with Phil Buchanan and Grace Nicolette, Center for Effective Philanthropy (S1:E7, November 13, 2020) Resources & Links Discussed: A Sector in Crisis Report ( https://cep.org/report-backpacks/a-sector-in-crisis-how-u-s-nonprofits-and-foundations-are-responding-to-threats/?section=intro ) A Sector in Crisis Board Book Insert (2-pages) ( https://cep.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/A_Sector_in_Crisis-2-pager_FNL.pdf ) Video of CEP's own webinar on their report "A Sector in Crisis" , (February 19, 2026, https://youtu.be/-F9ptl8NB-M?si=AlevsCHRivpPJVUq ) Video of CEP conference plenary on this research (November 2025, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEKo9C--foU&t=7s ) National Council of Nonprofits ( https://www.councilofnonprofits.org ) Independent Sector ( https://independentsector.org ) Fund the People ( https://fundthepeople.org ) Defend Nonprofits, Defend Democracy Series Playlist on Spotify Navigating Away From the Overhead Myth , write-in campaign to Charity Navigator ( https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ULw5tJgyRFw4ZJbn-SiFm9jVcL-2_JnrCT1UUOXLiXY/edit?usp=sharing ) Fund the People Premium Podcast on Patreon ( https://patreon.com/fundthepeople )

Download our Edited Transcript for this episode. Get the extended version of this and all episodes (and mucn more) by joining our Patreon community. In this installment of our ongoing Defend Nonprofits, Defend Democracy Series , you’ll get practical, real-world examples of how funders and nonprofit leaders can engage in policy advocacy to defend values such as racial equity and democracy, when those values are under direct political attack. Host Rusty Stahl is joined by Giridhar Mallya , Senior Policy Officer at the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (RWJF), to unpack how one major national foundation is supporting nonprofits through legal advocacy, narrative change, and bold leadership in a hostile climate. Drawing on his background in public health and government, Dr. Mallya explains why race-conscious strategies improve outcomes for everyone—and why pulling back from equity work creates greater risk for nonprofits than continuing it. According to Inside Philanthropy, RWJF was the first among the large national foundations to speak out in response to the Trump Administration’s anti-racial justice efforts . Listeners will learn how RWJF has redefined what “risk” is in today’s environment; why focusing on grantee safety is more productive than focusing on foundation fears; and what it looks like for philanthropic institutions to stay public, values-aligned, and effective when silence feels safer. Guest bio: Giridhar Mallya, is an MD, and Masters of Science Health Policy. He is a public health physician whose career spans government, philanthropy, and academia. His work leverages the power of public policy and community health interventions to shape the political, social, and economic determinants of health. He currently serves as Senior Policy Officer for the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation where he leads a national initiative to defend racial equity, diversity, and inclusion in health and other sectors. Dr. Mallya was previously Director of Policy and Planning for the Philadelphia Department of Public Health. He is a board-certified family physician and adjunct professor at the University of Pennsylvania. Organizations, People & Resources Mentioned: Recommended Resources from our Guest: How Equity Strategies Can Make Healthcare Better for Everyone Advancing Health Equity: Myths vs. Facts Promoting Policy Tools that Advance Health and Racial Equity People: Giridhar Mallya – Senior Policy Officer, Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Edgar Villanueva – Author and philanthropy leader; RWJF board member Rich Besser – President & CEO, Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Avanel Joseph – Vice President for Policy, Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Rev Jesse Jackson (Rest in Peace) – Civil rights leader and past presidential candidate Organizations & Institutions: Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Freedom Together Foundation Marguerite Casey Foundation Similar Episodes: Defend Nonprofits, Defend Democracy Series playlist (Spotify)

Download the Episode Transcript in .pdf format In this episode of the Fund the People Podcast , you'll gain practical insights into how centering workers' perspectives -- and sharing power between employees and management -- can dramatically improve job quality in nonprofit organizations. Host Rusty Stahl sits down with Brianna Rogers and Rob Hope of Rework The Bay to unpack a bold funding experiment supported by the James Irvine Foundation and conducted in partnership with Jobs for the Future . Eight California nonprofits engaged frontline staff as participatory researchers to examine their own working conditions and to co-create improvements with their organizations’ top executives. The results challenge assumptions. While compensation is foundational, workers most emphasized voice, transparency, shared leadership, professional growth, and healthier work boundaries as essential components of a quality job. The project surfaced five key lessons: workers can surface what truly matters; leaders grow when they listen; power must be intentionally shared; strategies must be tailored to organizational context; and job quality is an ongoing process—not a one-time fix. Through concrete examples—from four-day workweeks to anonymous feedback systems and participatory decision-making—this conversation offers nonprofit leaders and funders actionable ideas to advance shared leadership, transform funding practices, and elevate collective voice. Part of our ongoing California Voices Series , this episode is a roadmap for anyone committed to building nonprofit workplaces where staff can thrive—and where stronger internal culture leads to stronger community impact. Speaker Bios: ReWork the Bay Initiative Officer Brianna Rogers partners on ReWork’s fundraising efforts and leads our systems change projects focused on building worker power, workforce training and advancing job quality. Brianna grew up in Berkeley, attended Berkeley City College where she served as one of two student delegates to the Peralta Community College District, then transferred to UC Berkeley as a first-generation, re-entry student parent, earning her bachelor’s degree in Rhetoric Studies. While at UCB, Brianna developed innovative programming for the UC Berkeley’s African Student Development Center and the Department of Equity and Inclusion. She went on to receive her master’s degree from the McCourt School of Public Policy at Georgetown University, got her start in philanthropy as a National Urban Fellow at the Andrus Family Fund in New York City. In October 2020, she joined the San Francisco Foundation’s Partnership for HOPE SF team, where she worked until joining the ReWork team in 2022. ReWork the Bay Director Rob Hope is responsible for leading execution of ReWork the Bay’s strategy, as well as fundraising, grantmaking, budget management and partnership building. Rob joined ReWork the Bay in October 2017, after serving as Chief Program Officer at Rubicon Programs. Prior professional experience includes all levels of workforce development direct services, program evaluation and policy analysis, and community building work. Rob has a Bachelor’s in Sociology from Vassar College and a Master’s in Public Policy from UC Berkeley. For more on Brianna and Rob, visit the staff page of ReWork the Bay . Links to Resources Discussed: Featured Initiative: Rework The Bay Job Quality Project Report (June 2025) Project Partners: Jobs for the Future The PATH Group Funding Partner James Irvine Foundation Host Organization: San Francisco Foundation Participating Nonprofits Highlighted in the Episode: Canal Alliance Creating Restorative Opportunities and Programs (CROP) Related Fund the People Resources: Playlist for FTP Podcast’s CA Voices Series Report on FTP’s 2024-25 California Convenings FTP Podcast Premium on Patreon Fund the People - A Podcast with Rusty Stahl Fund the People Website Listen to this episode: This Episode on Apple Podcasts This Episode on Spotify

In this episode of the Fund the People Podcast , listeners will gain practical insight into how philanthropy can evolve to meet today’s interconnected crises—and what funders can do differently right now to support justice, sustainability, and nonprofit workers. Host Rusty Stahl is joined by nationally recognized philanthropic leader, lawyer, and author Dimple Abichandani , whose new book, A New Era of Philanthropy: Ten Practices to Transform Wealth into a More Just and Sustainable Future , offers a bold reimagining of philanthropy’s purpose and practice. Together, Rusty and Dimple explore why so many funders are skeptical that philanthropy can rise to this moment, tracing those doubts back to the field’s historical roots in Andrew Carnegie’s “Gospel of Wealth” and the enduring legacy of Gilded Age thinking. They focus especially on the importance of investing in nonprofit people , with Dimple sharing concrete examples from her time as a foundation CEO—including "healing justice" grants that helped address burnout, trauma, and precarity in grantee organizations of General Service Foundation before and during the pandemic. The conversation closes with a compelling invitation to move beyond 'gilded philanthropy' toward 'true alchemy': transforming wealth through care, listening, and solidarity, so that communities can genuinely thrive. Gust bio: Dimple Abichandani is a nationally recognized philanthropic leader, writer, and lawyer, and author of a forthcoming book, A New Era of Philanthropy: Ten Practices to Transform Wealth Into a More Just Future, that offers fresh answers to the question of how philanthropy can meet this moment. Related episodes: How Funders Can Support Nonprofit Workers in the Age of Burnout, Part 3 – with Desiree Flores, Executive Director, General Service Foundation Links to Resources: A New Era of Philanthropy book by Dimple Abichandani Dimple Abichandani website For Philanthropy, This Actually Isn’t 2016 All Over Again ⁠ , Dimple Abichandani letter in The Chronicle of Philanthropy, November 2024 To Ensure Nonprofit Wellbeing, Invest in Wages, Workloads and Working Conditions Rusty Stahl’s guest post on Center for Effective Philanthropy blog, June 2024